Mti's are a lot better antenna but a bit more pricey.
-
Jeff
On 6/7/06 9:16 PM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
They are working great for me and they are cheap.
At 02:36 AM 6/8/2006, you wrote:
MessageA few months ago, someone said this can be done, but for the
life of me, I can't figure it out.
Mikrotik channels are not aligned with Trango channels, and I want
to slide/change my Mikrotik channel center points by 10 mhz so it
matches my Trangos at
What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what
kind of APs Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at
moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
-Nick
George Rogato wrote:
Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
out the pac wireless
Remember, at 5.3 gig you are only allowed 1WATT eirp. That's 30 dB. If you
have a 24dB antenna the radio output has to be dropped down to 6dB.
But, that's part of why I love 5.3! Forces people to use good antennas and
low power radios instead of high power radios with junk antennas!
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on either a
WRAP or WAR board would work
as well.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Matt Liotta wrote:
I am looking for a device
uhh, mikrotik w/SR2, SR5, 5 gig antenna for backhaul and 2.4 omni on the
other...
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:18 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] looking for a device
I am
I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the next
30 days.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
messed with the VLAN stuff.
I am not a StarOS
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
pigtails installed. All you would need to do is set up the software end
of things, which could be done with a script once you have the initial
setup done.
Airmatrix can do that.
www.defactowireless.com
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:17:30 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
* Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
* Can support VLANs
* Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built,
software installed, and support available.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
If
Fyi everyone, wrap boards have been discontinued
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:45:00 -0500, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
pigtails installed. All you
I could be missing the product you are suggesting, but the only dual
radio products I can find our base station products. I not looking for a
base station, I am looking for something client facing. Further, I see
no mention of VLAN support.
-Matt
jeffrey thomas wrote:
Airmatrix can do
Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.
George
Matt Liotta wrote:
I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
product that is supported by
I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and
ready to go.
They might fall under some assembly required
Maybe Lonnie can tell us.
George
George Rogato wrote:
Lonnie sells his war in a rootenna waiting to go.
Support is offered via the online forums.
George
Matt
I would expect the devices to cost somewhere between $300 and $600 each.
As far as support goes, I would expect it to be similar to other low
cost radio vendors like Trango, etc.
-Matt
Sam Tetherow wrote:
What are you willing to pay and what are your support requirements?
Sam Tetherow
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Discontinued by Wisp-Router.com or all vendors? There's no
mention of this on http://www.pcengines.ch Where did you hear
this? I recall hearing that the chipset used on the current WRAP
platform has been discontinued but to my knowledge, there is a
replacement chipset available which will be used
SkyPilot ahs a product like this but not at for those prices. Their
dualband extender has a 2.4 b/g access point with a 5.8 mesh backhaul
system.
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday,
Hi Matt,
To throw in a dose of realism -- even if you roll your own Mikrotik solution
- it will most likely cost you more than the $300-600 / unit budget that you
have (and you get ZERO support =)
Example
RB532A: $185
SR5: $105
SR2: $105
All that is is a board and 2 radio cards -- then you
Some assembly required. We do not put the antenna pieces together
since the user would have to take them apart to attach the cat5.
Lonnie
On 6/8/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to take that back. I'm not so sure they are already assembled and
ready to go.
They might fall
I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf
parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will
work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us
we want nothing to do with building our own. I am aware of what mesh
products
Matt,
The airmatrix flex can do what you require, i think list on them is
around 350 or so but that price is coming down to around 250.00. An
additional card shouldnt be too much more per side.
-
Jeff
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:19:35 -0400, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
I don't think i am
my understanding is that the whole board is being disconinued. We were
notified of this ( as in pcengines is no longer taking orders ) about 2
weeks ago. I would need to clarify this with david peterson but I am
pretty sure that is the case.
-
Jeff
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:46:09 -0400, KyWiFi LLC
snip
I don't think i am unrealistic. We built a platform from off-the-shelf
parts that meets our requirements for under $500. How well that will
work outside of our lab coupled with the time it took to build tells us
we want nothing to do with building our own.
/snip
EXACTLY
The bits and
Charles Wu wrote:
The bits and pieces will definitely fit in your budget (in this case, $500),
but keep in mind, integration, development, support etc adds a lot to the
top line
Remember, most manufacturers are selling products at 40-60% gross margin
Well sure, but if a manufacturer can't
We need to file on this guys.
If anyone cares to help
Also, please send me your ideas so I can get something started.
Hopefully in the next week or two I'll be able to put together some initial
thoughts.
Marlon
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What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage
Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
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I don't think there is much out there unfortunately
But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units
www.mikrotik.com
click on prices/products
Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage
Dan Metcalf
Yeah, Dan,
I'm using tighter beamwidths as much as possible for spectrum conservation.
I do use omni's in 2.4 quite a bit, but 5 gig I like it
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The Pac Wireless 5 gig rootennas are only 19db gain.
What I like best about all of the antenna enclosures is the lack f
cabling, just a short pigtail from the radio card to the antenna port.
Also with star you can adjust the power of the card. Default power is
what we use mostly. No need to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Short pigtail - less signal loss
Plus if you add in the RJ-45-ECS (Ethernet connector system) you get a nice easy
to swap unit
Dan Metcalf
Right on Dan.
Thats what we've been doing. Prebuilt, easy to install.
With the Star WAr boards we've even gone as far as
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I am going to be working on the fade margin and will post results when I have them. Hopefully by next weekend.
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Guys,
Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
Unlike
most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004
5.4-5.9
solution and are shipping in JULY, and expect FCC certification for
their 802.16-2004
product for 4.9 Ghz as well in July! I am very excited
Color me jaded, but how can you get a zero truck roll CPE in 5.4-5.9
unlicensed?
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
jeffrey thomas wrote:
Guys,
Just got out of training for the new AIRSPAN wimax product for 5.8.
Unlike
most other vendors, they are going to market with their 802.16-2004
The big delimna for years, is that Trango has the unique advantage of Dual
Pol on the fly.
If you give up Dual Pol flexibilty, whats the point in using Trango, that's
their main advantage.
Sure the Rootenna are cheap, we use them for our Mikrotik/StarOS CPEs.
I suggest the MTI as a match for
Simple. Since the CPE self provisions and aligns itself, the customer only
need to know they need to install the device on their rooftop. And they also
have indoor devices that work to maybe a KM or so from the tower but those
Are as simple as a customer plugs in the ethernet plug and power and
John,
It's really been nice to see the progress made with Mikrotik this year, its
really becoming a strong product.
That would be great, when the next release comes includes abilty to change
center points of channels.
Its a VERY important issue. What you got to acknowledge, is that MIkrotik is
Jeff - how many other platforms have you tooted the horn on that have
never produced the results you claimed ? Not trying to rain on your
parade here, but every platform you've tooted ranting raves about, has
never lived up to it's hype from what I have seen.
JohnnyO
Wanting to be a believer
With a rootena, at 7 miles, sounds like George is over power limits.
But take note, 5.3G can be within limits to reach 7 miles. You can actually
reach 10 miles (with little fade margin) and be within the limits.
It does however require a 32 db dish, and a -2 power level to be legal.
Tom
Sounds like Mikrotik to me. We do that all the time.
Take note, to get standard bridge features across an 802.11 client, it
requires WDS. Mikrotik allows for large packets so that VLANs can be
configured over WDS.
The configuration is a bit encumbersome at first, but we got it down to a
NOte,
Star OS handles VLAN correctly as far as automatically reducing MTU size.
But that can be a problem for ISPs that want to deliver full 1500 MTU to the
end user as standard. MIkrotik does not have that limitation.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
There are people that build them for you.
MIkrotik sells pre-made systems.
WISP-Router I thought also did, but not possitive.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Airmatrix does VLAN but its uses StarOS, so it does VLAN the wrong way for
some one trying to sell to carriers.
If you sell to a carrier, they are going towant to be delivered a minimum of
1500 MTU. StarOS can't do that with VLAN.
However, if you didn;t need VLAN, Defacto does give EXCELLENT
Charles,
Although your advise does bringrealism to the debate
I think you are leaving out VLAN requirement in your view.
Mikrotik, gives the VLAN functuionality that is needed. That is worth money.
Mikrotik gives the flexibilty of dual radio configs.
I'm not even sure the expensive name
You gotta love those StarOS 5-10 Mhz channels :-)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas
Get with Jim Patient as well - www.jeffcosoho.com He can build them
for you more then likely at a savings to WISP-Router could.
Jim makes some great ready to go products and he's a super nice guy :)
JohnnyO
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Jeffrey Thomas - DOH ! - For some reason I had Jeff Booher on the brain
and made mistake of making this post ! ! ! ! Please - pretty please
forgive me for mixing you up ?
/me holds head down and kicks rocks
JohnnyO
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