Re: [WISPA] Our 5.3 GHz cert is in!

2007-07-21 Thread John Scrivner
Good job Patrick and Alvarion. This is something to toot your horn about for sure. If I am reading this right then people can load new firmware and meet the spec if they are using your 5.3 VL radios? Is that right? Scriv Patrick Leary wrote: We made the date. Yeehaw! It was quite a feat and

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Jory Privett
I agree better Google than the telcos Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion That is

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
For now Google will be better. I just hope that it stays that way. I think the telcos will pull out more money then 4.6b. Will Google be willing to up the ante? On 7/21/07, Jory Privett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree better Google than the telcos Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Google has a larger market capitalization than any of the telcos... if they want it, they'll have it. According to finance.google.com: GOOG: $162.04B VZ: $122.75B T: $240.83B (oh, okay, I forgot that ATT acquired BellSouth) CMCSA: $88.97B S: $63.6B Q: $17.42B DT: $79.5B - Mike

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread John Valenti
I did a few tests at the East Lansing Starbucks. I start the call on WiFi and walk out the front door. By the time I'm 20' away it has switched over to a tower. I didn't detect any noise during the switch, but I was outside next to a 3 lane road. Unfortunately that doesn't work at my

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Google is quietly and methodically taking control of the internet. They already control what results we see on a search... and with the purchase of Postini, they will be able to control what emails we actually receive. And now they are bidding on wireless spectrum. They are just slowly taking

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue

RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Stephen Patrick
And this of course is the corp with the corporate motto: Don't be evil. http://investor.google.com/conduct.html I'm sure we all hope they stand to that themselves - Regards Stephen CableFree Solutions -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July

[WISPA] Fiber Sources

2007-07-21 Thread Smith, Rick
If my customer has fiber strands coming into his building (in this case Bell Atlantic (now Verizon)), how do I tell where it goes and what I can do with it ? This customer's wanting to get connectivity to some kind of meet-me area where he can build up his connectivity options. When we

[WISPA] Telecom lawyers ?

2007-07-21 Thread Smith, Rick
Need a lawyer on good recommendation from someone here. I'm in northern NJ, need to go for CLEC status. Want someone reputable. Don't care about cost. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Mike: I mean Telcos as a whole. The FCC might feel they will get more cash if they sell it off in smaller blocks. I forget, has the FCC decided just what the rules will be for this spectrum? Need to look that up. Stephen: We surely do hope so. They, like all large multinational corporations,

Re: [WISPA] Telecom lawyers ?

2007-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
I'll do it for $1M. ;-) I'm working with American CLEC, but they've been dropping the ball. Kris Twomey is who I'm looking to talk to next. I think its [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith,

Re: [WISPA] Telecom lawyers ?

2007-07-21 Thread Steve Stroh
You'll find a great one - Kris Twomey, listed on Broadband Wireless Internet Access / WiMAX Professionals at http://www.bwiapros.com. Thanks, Steve On 7/21/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Need a lawyer on good recommendation from someone here. I'm in northern NJ, need to go for

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Sources

2007-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
You're probably not going to find much with regards to maps or information of any kind on ILEC fiber. I know some people that have fiber maps, but they're going to cost money whether they have anything or not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Peter R. wrote: The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering?

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Sources

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
It's probably tagged as to who the owner is. But it's not like it is a direct run from A to B. There are switches, muxes, repeaters, routers, etc. in-between. And if Bell Atlantic owns it, you either have to buy the service (DS3 or higher) from VZB or a CLEC would have to lease the fiber

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
More important that market cap is the debt. The telcos are laiden with debt and are borrowing heavy to lay out FTTx (VZ for FiOS and att for U-verse) and cellular builds. Google makes them all nervous anyway. The dark fiber talk. The bandwidth. Now licensed bandwidth. If there was only a

[WISPA] Microsoft free wi-fi

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
I have just about used up my posting limits this weekend (and not much WISPA-ISPCON talk either). http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/07/20/microsoft-will-give-you-free-wi-fi/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 efax

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread George Rogato
No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access

Re: [WISPA] Microsoft free wi-fi

2007-07-21 Thread RickG
As they say, you get what you pay for. I'd be curious if there is an inexpensive way to feed commercials on my network though? -RickG On 7/21/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just about used up my posting limits this weekend (and not much WISPA-ISPCON talk either).

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Sources

2007-07-21 Thread RickG
Cut it and see who complains! j/k! On 7/21/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If my customer has fiber strands coming into his building (in this case Bell Atlantic (now Verizon)), how do I tell where it goes and what I can do with it ? This customer's wanting to get connectivity to some

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
I don't know how the FCC will handle that issue. Maybe someone should ask them for a decision. - Peter George Rogato wrote: No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to

Re: [WISPA] Microsoft free wi-fi

2007-07-21 Thread Peter R.
There are a couple of companies that can help you (IF you have enough subscribers). Adzilla is one of them. Another company that deals with mobile branding and ads is Virtual IRIS. I can help you contact either company. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs

Re: [WISPA] Microsoft free wi-fi

2007-07-21 Thread John Scrivner
Good luck with Adzilla. I signed a NDA with them two years ago and have yet to be given any information on what they offer. I have seen them at each ISPCON and yet they still will not yield anything about what they can do for me or me for them. Scriv Peter R. wrote: There are a couple of

Re: [WISPA] Microsoft free wi-fi

2007-07-21 Thread kimo
How about AnchorFree? On 7/21/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with Adzilla. I signed a NDA with them two years ago and have yet to be given any information on what they offer. I have seen them at each ISPCON and yet they still will not yield anything about what they can do

Re: [WISPA] Fiber Sources

2007-07-21 Thread Felix A. Lopez
Rick, if you can determine whether or not the fiber is on a pole or in a trench there is a possibility the fiber company name will be listed in the right of way/joint pole/joint trench agreement with the incumbent utility. This is especially true if on a pole. See fiber planners weblink as

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911

2007-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Perhaps it pushes the GPS coordinates that the cell would normally send through the VoIP call. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Michael Erskine
Travis Johnson wrote: Google is quietly and methodically taking control of the internet. They already control what results we see on a search... No they don't... Once upon a time there was CERN's search engine and then there was Altavista, and then there was Yahoo, and then there was MSN,

RE: [WISPA] Our 5.3 GHz cert is in!

2007-07-21 Thread Patrick Leary
You are reading that right, but one does not need to load the new firmware onto grandfathered units. - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

RE: [WISPA] Our 5.3 GHz cert is in!

2007-07-21 Thread Patrick Leary
...thanks, by the way John1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Our 5.3 GHz cert is in! You are reading that right, but one does not need to load

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before Google or even Altavista... back when there were no real search engines to speak of... and now today, Google's search is used by 44% of ALL internet searches...

RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Travis, your figures are right on and we've been there since the start, too, in fact were #19 in Sprint's first customers for dedicated Internet connection before that. Something curious is happening and it deserves close scrutiny... starting before NOW! We're (paper-presenting) members of MAAWG

Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-07-21 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Means they can either use the cell towers to triangulate the position of the handset, which works better as more towers become visible. Or they have an actual GPS receiver in the handset that may or may not be usable by the handset owner with or without a 'GPS feature' enabling subscription.

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Michael Erskine
Travis Johnson wrote: I'm not sure what the hell your problem is, but you really need to get a grip. I started in the internet space in 1994... back before Google or even Altavista... back when there were no real search engines to speak of... and now today, Google's search is used by 44% of

Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion

2007-07-21 Thread Michael Erskine
Good lord, when did this wave of paranoia begin? I missed it. Should I be terrified that Google is going to own the Internet as I know it? What shall I do? What shall I do? You mean that Google is going to come to my town and try to triple the local loop charges on my fractional DS-3 simply