Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread John Scrivner
I see in the WISPA Code of Ethics this line: e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks are restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the tenets of reasonable precaution. If this needs to be worded differently then maybe this would suffice? I

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business is it of others what anyone else does? If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would have said so. WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now certified

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Ralph
Responses inline... Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? Because you are our industry organization What business is it of others what anyone else does? Anyone who wants to see the industry operate in a proper and legal manner. If the FCC thought what

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
Please expand upon this statement... I simply asked WISPA to publish a position on illegal operation. That doesn't mean to push it off on some code of ethics. What kind of written statement would carry more weight than the code of ethics? Please describe how any such written statement would

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
Ralph You see the industry through a very narrow set of blinders. There is a whole lot more players than you or I. I'm not impressed with any YDI certified system that you think you may have, I too have certified YDI systems still in place and YDI sold me and lots of others quite a bit of

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Matt Liotta
George Rogato wrote: One thing you have been successful at is ending most discussions of what people are using, their accomplishments or plain old advice on this list. I bet a lot of guys are scared with your FCC insinuations not to bother posting anything to this list. I don't think you can

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread George Rogato
Matt Seeing you and Ralph are business constituants and shoulder to shoulder, I wouldn't expect you to stray from the party line Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: One thing you have been successful at is ending most discussions of what people are using, their accomplishments or

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Dylan Oliver
I gather that this is a response of the ad hominem variety Matt just predicted, but could you clarify your meaning? Aren't we all businesses (and constituents, business and otherwise)? On 9/2/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Seeing you and Ralph are business constituants and

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Scott Reed
I am not sure that a position paper is required, but I will offer a few opinions based on some of what I have seen this post generate in responses. Though I am not currently 100% compliant with the FCC rules nor a member, I wish I were both. Even after 1 full year of research into what I

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Zack Kneisley
Please expand upon this statement... Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The

RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Ralph
George- I already listed the vendors our WISP uses, and I have never mentioned anything from YDI. I haven't a clue where you got that idea. I have never purchased a single thing from them. Again for the record: Our WISP uses Tranzeo, Canopy, Deliberant and Ligowave. All certified APs and client

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Scott Reed wrote: So I am 100% behind Ralph wanting to be assured that WISPA is all about being legal. WISPA put this in the Code of Ethics. The organization is certainly all about being legal. I also agree with Ralph's opening comment about getting more latitude in

[WISPA] Leaving the list

2007-09-02 Thread John Scrivner
I have tried to share what I believe are good paths to proceed for WISPs and WISPA and mostly all I get back are rude comments and smug lashes at my character here. I have too many things going to be bothered with all the divisive rhetoric and sniping attitudes from many on this list server. I

Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
It doesn't really help, when attempting to clarify a misunderstood or confusing statement, to say the same thing over again. You asserted, in your posting, that the position of WISPA as stated in the code of ethics, did not meet the requirement in your opinion of being the official stance of