Re: [WISPA] using street level and below tree canopy for unlicensed bands

2008-06-13 Thread ralph
I never saw any of the earlier messages from this thread, but I have a 4 sq mi mesh implementing right now. It is pretty much a tropical rain forest without the rain. I was required to use a dual radio product that only allows meshing on 5.8. The 2.4 is for client access only. Due to the trees,

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-13 Thread John Valenti
Tom, Do you find this true for Trango 900 also? I've not had good luck with those. Mine seem to quit working with the first competition. I do like them for scanning for noise; and the software switchable horizontal / vertical is nice. On June 13, at 5:59 PM June 13, Tom DeReggi wrote: > I

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread wispa
Good points Tom, particularly about the speed test. I also like the "hints" button for common trouble shooting suggestions. Tough to write the text, and harder to get the user to read it, but might reduce a few trouble calls. Speaking from our perspective, we are looking for a small and simple d

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, I think we need to keep in mind this is a tool designed for "residential" users... we would never ask the IT Director at a business that has a 20Mbps fiber connection to download this tool to "test your connectivity" or "test your speed". LOL The whole idea was to create a simple, easy t

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Larry Yunker
Tom, I appreciate all of the useful comments. Please note that I posted updated screen shots of the tool yesterday. Some of the changes that you are requesting have already been implemented. For instance, the speed test has been moved to a separate tab and now only runs if the subscriber switch

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread George Rogato
If your using an XR9 then you won't be using channel 11. it's gonna be channel 4 through 7 in 5MHz incriments. So you will want to not use anything that overlaps those channels very much. Channel 6 will not be good, channel 11 and channel 1 will be fine. I Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > So what you ar

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Two comments... When we diagnose a client, we are trying to discover six things... 1) Is the PC's Pri NIC active and configured for TCP IP 2) Can they reach their home router 3) Can they reach the first hop cell site/tower 4) Can they reach the far side Backbone edge of network. 5) Can they reach

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Super COOLNESS! I'd contribute some $ for that. Couple suggestions... 1) Emailing results was a great idea. But it would also be nice to have a second Email address that the test would go to. it could be a hidden filed defined in the ini file. the purpose would be to put the ISP's Tech Ema

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
If its being used as a speed test, its important that it is capable of giving an accurate speed test. Its better to have no speed test than to have one that makes our network look bad. Matt, made some good points about web apps not being fast enough to do accurate speed tests. We wrote a tool t

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well, yes but, no reason you can't build the app to auto install the run-time. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:02 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
David, "You could even split the difference, and have default settings compiled in, that are overridden by the presence of a valid .ini." Definately the way to do it! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith"

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
> In high noise areas you'll be better off to use almost anything but WiFi. > It's the least noise tolerant protocol that I know of. Sorry, but the opposite is true. 802.11 is actually a good protocol to combat noise, when the noise is someone elses. It has built-in re-transmission into the pro

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Leon, How close are the 2.4 cards to that one SR9 card? What SBC are you using? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Friday,

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
So what you are saying is that if I have my 900mhz antenna on channel 11 (2.4 down-converting to 900) and then I have my 2.4AP on channel 1 that this is ok on the same board? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
As Jack said, all noise effects gear equally. The question is what gear can filter it out better? Some higher end product have better built in filters into their radios. A good example is Trango Broadband. Some radios have higher quality receivers so they can make out the distorted signal bett

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
No amplifier reduces noise. An amplifier always injects noise. A low noise amplifier will inject less noise, and cause less noise for others. But I'd argue the goal is to avoid amplifiers all togeather. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Mes

Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
> They're so right about not bridging Thats a short sighted opinion. In theory, for the benefit of their Box, maybe yes. And I'm not challenging the many benefits to routing. But everyone doesn't use the box for the same purpose. Not true for many appilications. For example, what about standardiz

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread George
Kurt Your just going to want to stay off the same channel as the xr9 and you will be ok. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > It is my understanding that the 900mhz cards are actually 2.4ghz with > converters built in. So obviously putting a 900mhz card on the same board as > a 2.4ghz card would be a bad i

Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message

2008-06-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
>that we MUST put PRINTED information in the > hands of our installers on the equipment that we use ( When you are done with that printed guide, why not post it to the Forum :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark N

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread Matt Hardy
We've also collocated 2.4GHz and 900MHz radios using 2.4GHz frequency up/down converters in the same enclosure before without issues. The 900MHz radios implemented with the up/down converters have pretty good filters that block non-900MHz frequencies. On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 16:15 -0400, Leon D.

Re: [WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Kurt Fankhauser wrote, On 6/13/2008 3:56 PM: > It is my understanding that the 900mhz cards are actually 2.4ghz with > converters built in. So obviously putting a 900mhz card on the same board as > a 2.4ghz card would be a bad idea. Now can I put them on the same tower? > Lets say I put the 900mh

[WISPA] Board Member Candidates list

2008-06-13 Thread Mac Dearman
WISPA Members, As Secretary of WISPA I am proud to announce the 12 qualified WISPA members that have applied and met the hurdle criteria for a seat on the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors met this morning and went over each application to ensure that the "hurdle criteria" had b

[WISPA] XR9 separation from other 2.4 stuff

2008-06-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
It is my understanding that the 900mhz cards are actually 2.4ghz with converters built in. So obviously putting a 900mhz card on the same board as a 2.4ghz card would be a bad idea. Now can I put them on the same tower? Lets say I put the 900mhz radio at the bottom and run some coax since 900mhz sh

[WISPA] Nominations site updated

2008-06-13 Thread David E. Smith
The applications for all eligible nominees for the 2008 WISPA Board of Directors have been posted at http://nominations.wispa.org/ . As there are a number of qualified candidates, the Board wishes all members to have ample time to carefully consider their votes. Thus, the Board has moved the 20

Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

2008-06-13 Thread Matt Hardy
I guess one question would be is it a Layer 2 or Layer 3 mesh? That would influence what options you have. -Matt On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 10:43 -0700, Rogelio wrote: > Rogelio wrote: > > I would like roaming, actually. Ideally, the entire mesh would be on > > the same LAN subnet and each user w

Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

2008-06-13 Thread Rogelio
Rogelio wrote: > I would like roaming, actually. Ideally, the entire mesh would be on > the same LAN subnet and each user would be assigned the gateway that was > the least congested. I think that pfsense is probably the "easiest" answer, particularly since it has hotspot URL forwarding built

Re: [WISPA] New laptop battery

2008-06-13 Thread jamesgayle
Try this place I have ordered from them before http://www.laptopparts.com/. The price would be $129 thats with out shipping. James > I'm looking for a new battery for my Dell Inspiron 6400. Dell wants $300. > Any recommendations? I don't want some cheap piece of crap from China > that'll just

Re: [WISPA] New laptop battery

2008-06-13 Thread Mark Nash
Where do you think all the GOOD stuff comes from, as well??? ;) Anyway... Dell did tell me that the reason their batteries are so expensive right now is that a major battery manufacturing plant burned down. I had to buy 7 $300 (extra-to-hold-in-the-laptop-bag-in-case-the-main-battery-runs-out) ba

Re: [WISPA] ip accounting solns

2008-06-13 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Marlon, Please expand. What solution are you speaking of? any link or contact info? Thanks On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brandon has the best solution out there. It's also cost effective. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Rogel

Re: [WISPA] New laptop battery

2008-06-13 Thread Dylan Oliver
You could try batteryrefill.com - They did a good job with an old vaio battery, but the refill of my lenovo battery is taking wayy too long because shipments of the cells from China or whereever have been delayed. Just ask them up front for timeframe. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Mike Ham

[WISPA] New laptop battery

2008-06-13 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking for a new battery for my Dell Inspiron 6400. Dell wants $300. Any recommendations? I don't want some cheap piece of crap from China that'll just die in 6 months. I was looking towards Interstate for $150 that has a similar capacity to my Dell (when new). -- Mike Ham

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Oh yes, and where can i get more info on the User check program? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Se

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Larry, Is this on the market yet? how could I get a copy to test? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]