Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Mark, > > Comments inline: > >> >> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough? >> P

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
But there's no reason why consumers should be FORCED to buy that. Public financing does not reduce cost, it increases it by subsidizing inefficiency and overbuilding and hides the real cost. Don't think that they get it "cheap". They pay far more than we do, even if the monthly bill shows a

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
- Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > >>We're all taxpayers, get off my back >> already! > > I'm a little confused on your respon

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
Dear Mike, You miss the point and possibly so does Josh. Because an AP can deliver "x" amount of throughput during a speed test between two location does not mean that the same AP can deliver that amount of throughput to all the customers simultaneously. The AP's throughput is shared between al

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
XR5's are Prism for my APs R52's are Atheros for my CPEs I have not heard of any chipset differences in performance - anyone else have this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling 20+ megs... now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it. I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you can only get 3.5 mbit. A lot of people are against G mode, but I don't' think it's that mu

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I spoke with a doctor last week who's son has gone through 4 in the last year. May be just that one case, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I didn't get that at all. It seems as though when anyone on this list suggests going faster than 2 megabits, they get beat up. Sorry, Charlie, BA-II was outdated long ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, December 0

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't think that has been as prevalent of an issue over the past 2 years or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:15 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on every new customer. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 subscribers things wi

[WISPA] Nice Paper about WISP's, specifically in California but very well written

2008-12-03 Thread Brian Webster
I just stumbled across this web page and a link to a report about the state of the WISP industry in California. The author conducted a very good survey of WISP's and summarized the industry very well. Thought you might like a look at the results. Much of this information will not be news to you, bu

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread rharnish
Mark, Comments inline: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That is a TERRIBLE idea. I don't see obtaining a seat at the table which is defining future policy for broadband in the US a terrible idea. Not participating would do our industry much more disservice than participating. > > To chop o

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 subscribers things will be a bit better. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds >I have read many po

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Good one Steve !! I want to know too ! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008

[WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Barnes
I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of it.

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread John McDowell
I've hear that Powercode is changing owners? Anybody have the skinny on that? We're seeing some really cool things coming from PC and WirelessMapping.com... Check out the link below. The Google map overlay of our coverage gets populated with little google tear drops where we have customers and lead

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
On the plus side, it might mean that a whole bunch of ISPs won't be covered under CALEA. :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
With any internet technology, aggregation is happening somewhere. DSL you have a pipe to the C.O. but then there may be limited overhead. Cable modems aggregate in various branches of their distribution. Wireless aggregates at the AP. Satellite... big AP in the sky. Even FTTH has shared res

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
So how many of your customers can you serve 26 Mb to SIMULTANEOUSLY from the same AP? It sounds like you are saying that you can serve all of them 26 Mb simultaneously. Josh Luthman wrote: Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home. Each tower has a Redline to it, throughpu

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well thats kind of the point of consumer advocates. Consumer advocates are not against WISPs. They are against Cable Cos that deliver less bandwdith than they are capable of delivering to the public. If Broadband monoploies put less money in stock holder's pockets, and more money into infrastruc

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
>We're all taxpayers, get off my back > already! I'm a little confused on your response. Nobody is on your back. We are just discussing possible point of views on Broadband policy. I'm also not exactly clear what you are calling the "terrible" idea. Joining the NBS table for debate? Raising mi

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Each customer has an MT - capable of 26mbps to their home. Each tower has a Redline to it, throughput as high as the key purchased (54 megs). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent i

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
Well, yeah. So who would be pushing the "broadband is above 10 meg" canard anyway? I know of no present common internet application that needs in excess of 3mbit to work well. Perhaps as you suggested, the speed was chosen as a specific elimenation of most wireless and copper based DSL. For

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
PC is much more spendy than Plat. That is one of the reasons we did not go with PC. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system > > Advantag

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
amen We love Plat. - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system > Platypus > > Been using it for years, does everything. > > > > > --

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Just a little side note here - when it comes to static IP addresses on the Xbox (or a reserved DHCP lease if you're into simplicity and ease =) a lot of people return their Xboxes due to hardware failure and get new units which drops the MAC address and IP configuration you had before. Josh Luthma

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread John Scrivner
The article represents thoughts of individual members of this group in its initial meeting. I see trouble with some of the things noted. Especially things like saying "we now acknowledge there is a broadband problem". I did not like the definition of broadband as "10 megabit or more" either. This i

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Chad Halsted
UDP 88 UDP and TCP 3074 those ports should be forwarded from the customer router to the xbox 360. 360 will need a static IP. we put this in our firewall for xbox customers and set their xbox to 192.168.200.50/24 net = wpci1 client = ether1 forward udp to 192.168.200.50 88 from any to any 88 i

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Tim Barker
While you guys are on the topic could I also ask you to look at our offering? We've been selling hot spot systems for the hospitality industry since 2004 but over the past year have started putting together a package for WISPs. We've branded the WISP solution Avansu (http://www.avansu.com). Avans

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread jeremyd
If you don't choose Freeside, I consider Platypus the next best option. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis, CEO Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 www.maximumtech.us > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of George Rogato > Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread jeremyd
> Unless Jeremy has done some extra work with FS, It does not fulfill > these CRM requirements. This is doable in freeside with the integrated ticketing system. We've done things like take leads from the website via a form which loads a ticket up in the ticket system from there it is just a mat

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
So can mine. But not when I have 40-60 clients on one 5 ghz AP.I sell WHAT I CAN DELIVER and there's nowhere near enough spectrum available to limit your client numbers per AP to be able to reliably do 10M at least 23.5 hours per day to any client. When the typical client can't get at le

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread 3-dB Networks
Well if you look at this article looks like most people are getting less than a meg anyways: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Makes me wonder how many DSL and Cable shops wouldn't be broadband either under the 10Mb rule even in Metro areas (around my area I don't

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
That is a TERRIBLE idea. To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough? Please. It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares of our companies to investors, if we had gaura

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Jack Unger
Josh Luthman wrote: My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs... The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs. Real bandwidth tests show 26 megs. So do you deploy one MT for each customer or do you share that 26 Mb between all of your customers on that one access point? Josh Luthma

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
I agree, and one of my concerns with the coalition, is that defining broadband as 10mbps would be bad for WISPs. Rick is aware of these concerns. Please recognize that being a member of teh Coalition does not mean we endorse all their initial ideas for policies. It simply means we endorse the int

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
They are not calling for defining the max capacity of a technology. They are calling for defining the speed that you can make available to every end user. 10mbps would call every 900Mhz or Whitespace single channel WISP NOT broadband. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireles

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thats an unfair statement. Yes, I agree, without a BMU, it does not unlease the power of Powercode. However, Powercode without a BMU, is still much more than a billing/ticketing system. I'm not a PowerCode expert, so I am in no way the right person to defend the product, or report its features.

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Advantage or Disadvantage? Actually Powercode integrates with Imagestream routers. Personally, I think the PowerCode/Imagestream platform was probably the best value proposition on the market for a solution to manage WISPs that was commercially available and complete. Something someone should d

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
My 5.8 customers can do 10+ megs... The estimated throughput on the MTs is 30 to 31 megs. Real bandwidth tests show 26 megs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- H

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread reader
And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to industry = pay off Unions for votes. We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify. Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over 10 Meg. Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
>Others have had great success with PowerCode, but my experience is not. >When I was talking with them, they basically told me to purchase their BMU >or their software won't really do anything for me. Yes, this was a long >time ago in Internet time. PowerCode without a BMU is just a billing and t

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I can't say that I really care about my top posting, I actually prefer top posting because I don't have to hunt for information... unless it is addressing many points, which you did, I did not. The entire email fits on my screen, so I saw it all. ;-) Here is my end of the bickering over tri

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits

2008-12-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah, why build and provide it, when there is so much demand to sit back and study it :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03,

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Nice work Rick and it's great to see WISPA take part. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article Jeff, Just to let you know, I a

Re: [WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Rick Harnish
Jeff, Just to let you know, I am in Washington DC this week participating in the events below. WISPA has signed on as a supporter of the Call to Action to define the Nationwide Broadband Strategy. It was great to see all the players of the Broadband Industry working together to attempt to bring

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread John McDowell
I second that emotion Brian...very cool tools you guys are cooking up. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Brian Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > And in the very near future PowerCode will also be able to integrate > coverage mapping should you decide to do so. John and I have it working but >

[WISPA] Article

2008-12-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120203 164_pf.html New Coalition Drawing Up Nationwide Broadband Access Strategy By Cecilia Kang Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, December 3, 2008; D03 President-elect Barack Obama has said getting affordable high-speed

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Brian Webster
And in the very near future PowerCode will also be able to integrate coverage mapping should you decide to do so. John and I have it working but it just needs a few things cleaned up to make it ready for prime time. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread George Rogato
Platypus Been using it for years, does everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wire

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
My NAT customers work behind their own routers on the 360 and PS3. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Matt <[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Matt
> upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. > > What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? > > Is there something I should be trying on the routers? Are all your custommers NAT'd or do you assign them public IP's? Matt --

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Dylan Bouterse
We have been using Plat for years and I used it at a company I worked at waay back for years (starting in '98). I like Plat, but we are considering an alternative for a few reasons. MSSQL support only Client is Windows only Provisioning is fired off from the client, not a backend script Complicate

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: >While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive. I'd like >to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more >information. While I agree that FS is a good application and can do PARTS of what he asked for, it does not do all of it. Jere

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
While I'm not yet using it, Freeside is quite impressive. I'd like to refer you to Jeremy Davis of maximumtech.us for more information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
You would have to Google for the exact port(s) to be forwarded on the client's NATing routers. I'm told wireless is a security hole and yet here we are... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "M

Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Anthony Will wrote: >Some things it has to have: A system that integrates with a >bandwidth management and auto shutdown for delinquent accounts. Can >process a customer form lead to install and handle trouble tickets >afterward including installer scheduling. can actually a

[WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-03 Thread Anthony Will
Hello I need a new billing / CRM solution. What are all of you using at this time and is it going to scale with you? I dont mind if it is not all under one program. If I have to pay someone to customize something I don't care I just need something that works. WILL PAY FOR IT. Some things it

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

2008-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi Jeremy, I'm must curious as to why you left wireless broadband out of your article? We have customers getting 10 meg SYMMETRIC services out here for a whopping $35 per month. Nearly all of my customers are in the 2 to 3 meg range for that same price. Again, speeds are usually pretty symmet

Re: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband/tech nonprofits

2008-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oh brother. More hand wringing and money spending. No answers to the problems. sigh Stupid government. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Opportunity for broadband

Re: [WISPA] xbox 360 issues

2008-12-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
upnp is a huge security whole I'm told. What port forwarding would be needed for a game system anyway? Is there something I should be trying on the routers? marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4

Re: [WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I sent my email. This test has been out for a long time. I'm thinking about highlighting this test on my web site... rate limit a PC at home to the fastest plan I have at the time, run those tests on a regular basis (by just keeping it open), then take screen shots of it comparing connection