Re: [WISPA] I probably haven't been clear...

"like"! Our Founding Fathers were called radicals too! They paid the price dearly: http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/421.html On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:00 PM, MDK wrote: > This business about "winning" and "losing"... > > For me, "winning" is about being in charge of my life and my business. > Who >

Re: [WISPA] Wow

Another item for us to do: Peer, aggregate bandwidth and save money. As you said, thing like the big guys. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > .. Correction / Point:- > The ISP Model is built on OverSubcription.. the Telco's 'generate' > internet traffic or in otherwords

Re: [WISPA] Wow

.. Correction / Point:- The ISP Model is built on OverSubcription.. the Telco's 'generate' internet traffic or in otherwords 'peer' so their capacity cost is dictated by equipment and infrastructure maintenance cost. The price for anything is arbitrary based on their desired profit level.

Re: [WISPA] Wow

> > Frankly, the converse of this is also true... Maybe our services are > 'under-priced' to begin with ? We, because of our cut to the bone > business model of making little to no profit, choose to sell service at > a price that takes a lot of factors into consideration and we may have > 'mis-calc

Re: [WISPA] Wow

Okay, I will bite... What you are stating / observing is not too far off from what is actually happening at the moment.. I would like to point out and additional dimension which is reality at the moment, working it's way outwards from the Major Metro Areas you, myself and our peers may not

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

If I said 'they' did not own it, I am sorry, that is not what I intended at all. What I DO intend is that $.Telco OWE the public. 100 years of bullshit is not a correct payment of public debt. Forcing us into the position we are in now, is not a correct payment. I think the only places we really di

Re: [WISPA] Wow

Da. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wow "give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade! On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Hard to b

Re: [WISPA] Wow

In Soviet Russia, Internet downloads you! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, RickG wrote: > "give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade! > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >

Re: [WISPA] Wow

"give away"?!?!? You mean take away comrade! On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Robert West wrote: > Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time. So, you are > expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store. Yes? > :) > > > > -Original Message- > From: wir

Re: [WISPA] Wow

You know, the thing about this, is that it would probably be GOOD, not bad. It would eventually result in people noticing that data consumption is a little like your water bill... The more you use, the more it costs. These people believe that an ISP's connection to you is unlimited... All you

Re: [WISPA] Wow

Hard to be a capitalist AND a socialist at the same time. So, you are expected to turn a profit but at the same time give away the store. Yes? :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Thursday, December 23

Re: [WISPA] Wow

The cost is in getting it to them. On Dec 23, 2010 6:51 PM, "Scott Piehn" wrote: > As is usual with bad ideas that sound great. The first assumption is > flawed. After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and > sounds great. > > "ISPs provide your internet access. You can use it

Re: [WISPA] Wow

As is usual with bad ideas that sound great. The first assumption is flawed. After the first flawed idea, everything else is very logical and sounds great. "ISPs provide your internet access. You can use it as much as you want, for anything you want." This ignores the concept of oversubscri

[WISPA] Google buys NYC carrier hotel - 111 8th Ave.

While we struggle with neutrality issues, Google is buying up the Internet. http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/12/22/google-confirms-purch ase-of-111-8th-avenue/ WISPA Wants You! Join t

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

At 12/23/2010 03:41 PM, ScottR wrote: I am not sure regulated or unregulated monopolies are a good thing. Locally the water company put pipe in the ground 50+ years ago. Because they are monopoly they have no competition. So, no need to provide better service today than yesterday. So now the

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

I am not sure regulated or unregulated monopolies are a good thing. Locally the water company put pipe in the ground 50+ years ago. Because they are monopoly they have no competition. So, no need to provide better service today than yesterday. So now they have pipes breaking all the time and

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Agreed thereso then pay for value you receive... I'm sure that you're not a proponent of a handout... Or perhaps you perceive that you don't receive value. Enough said, anyway... On 12/23/2010 12:11 PM, MDK wrote: Hey Mark... This Mark is not anti-government, as in wanting anarchy. I'm s

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Fred, your commentary on the written statutory and agency aspects of the events is admirably good and clear. However, we philosophically disagree vehemently, apparently, on the conclusions or judgements you make about things. I disagree almost entirely about the need or value of "utilities"

Re: [WISPA] I probably haven't been clear...

Well stated. +1 On 12/23/10 2:00 PM, MDK wrote: > This business about "winning" and "losing"... > > For me, "winning" is about being in charge of my life and my business. Who > has veto power over what I choose to do? Me. That's winning. > > Losing: When someone else has veto power over an

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

I'll certainly agree that it's not sustainable. There's plenty of opportunity for people to run FTTH in subdivisions and backhaul with wireless. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/23/2010 1:04 PM, MDK wrote: > If you're trying to align it (analogy)

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Hey Mark... This Mark is not anti-government, as in wanting anarchy. I'm still trying to grasp the thinking of people who welcome regulation. Perhaps my understanding is better and thus, I write better. I don't know. Thanks. However, as for giving WISPA money and promoting it... That

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

At 12/23/2010 02:19 PM, MDK wrote: That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak. NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through the door and in the tent with you. Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth specifications, and so on would be the rest of

[WISPA] I probably haven't been clear...

This business about "winning" and "losing"... For me, "winning" is about being in charge of my life and my business. Who has veto power over what I choose to do? Me. That's winning. Losing: When someone else has veto power over any decision I make. Example, the FCC decides which aspects

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Normally I don't open a message from MDK for fear of witnessing what I have become accustomed to. It took me a few days to do it, but I did open this thread. And I have to say I don't mind reading it. I may not agree with anything or agree with part, but the point is that I don't mind readin

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

That was the camel's nose in the tent, so to speak. NN and content regulation is merely some more of the camel through the door and in the tent with you. Rate or price controls, coverage requirements, bandwidth specifications, and so on would be the rest of the camel in the tent. At that

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

If you're trying to align it (analogy) with ILEC's, I agree, the monopoly should never have been created. However, if we just focus on the present, and ignore history - and history is ignored because it's mostly irrelevant - this is the situation and how it will be viewed. Unlike Jeromie's ch

[WISPA] WISPA Members Map Updated

I have updated the WISPA Member 's Directory Maps as of today. If you have someone looking for a WISP in a given area, type in the address in the search tool at the top of the Principal Member's map and it will locate the nearest WISPA Member to that locati

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

Yes, by the fact that a private person doing business is forced to report anything to the government is wrong. It breaks the trues spirit of capitalism & freedom that this country was founded upon. Sorry to sound extreme but what will they force us to do next? On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Mike

[WISPA] Wow

Just wanted to pass this along, as I think it summarizes what the general public believes is the entire issue at stake: http://www.theopeninter.net/ Yikes! * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net) * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/ * (920) 452-0455 - Sheb

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

At 12/23/2010 09:09 AM, MikeH wrote: How is BT doing with their voluntary split? BT overall is making good money now, and nobody's whining about OpenReach from a business perspective. Their regulated prices are of course always open to complaint from customers... OpenReach is rolling out a

Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg

Depends on location and time of the year. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/22/2010 2:29 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: $4/meg from cogent is actually a bit high. I've seen deals for 3/meg on 100mb/s commit, And under 1.8/meg for GigE commit. Nick Olsen

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

I don't think form 477 has anything to do with breaking anything. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/22/2010 12:44 AM, RickG wrote: The first step to breaking the net was form 477. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

How is BT doing with their voluntary split? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/21/2010 5:40 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 12/21/2010 05:58 PM, Jeff wrote: Fred, You've been advocating splitting the ILECs between their delivery and service models..

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

To align it more closely with the telecom world, consider the following. The city gave you an exclusive license to operate a grocery for 100 years, but you refused to accept credit cards, had manual doors, and rang up all prices by looking them up in a book. Since you were protected from new g