Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > I saw someone mention a problem in the 900MHz yesterday, but

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread RickG
There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: > 5ghz cordless phone system and just the right magic path. In one case > it was only a issue when one of the cars were home, but not when the > 2nd was also there (car vs jacked up truck). > >

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 7 February 2011 02:49, Justin Wilson wrote: > We are not out of IPv4 addresses. The unallocated pool is exhausted. > There is a difference. Think of it in terms as water from a well. > > You have all of these people bringing water up from the well (the water is > ipv4 addresses). These peo

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Bret Clark
It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't think this is a consumer device causing the problem. On 02/07/2011 03:10 AM, RickG wrote: > There are plenty of 5GHz home routers as well ;( > > On Mon,

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/7/2011 08:01 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: On 7 February 2011 02:49, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote: We are not out of IPv4 addresses. The unallocated pool is exhausted. There is a difference. Think of it in terms as water from a well. You have all of these people

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Jeremie Chism
It will just turn into 1999 all over again with businesses everywhere worried they won't be able to use the Internet so they bring in high priced consultants to show them how to transition to IPV6. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 7, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 2/7/2011 08:01 AM,

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Brad Belton
Have to agree that we are not running out of IP space rather entering a new realm of how IPv4 space will be handled or "traded" going forward. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, February 07, 2

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Butch Evans
On 02/07/2011 09:40 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > It will just turn into 1999 all over again with businesses everywhere > worried they won't be able to use the Internet so they bring in high > priced consultants to show them how to transition to IPV6. Not all of us are that high priced! :-) -- *

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Jeremie Chism
Definitely not directed at you butch. I just remember some of the guys from those days. Sent from my iPhone4 On Feb 7, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Butch Evans wrote: > On 02/07/2011 09:40 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >> It will just turn into 1999 all over again with businesses everywhere >> worried they

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Matt
> No, it's not a real problem.  I liken it to the exhaust of homesteads in the > past century.  You used to be able to go to a land office and ask for your > 40 acres.  Then they ran out.  But you could still buy a farm from somebody > who previously had a homestead. Very few are going to give up

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Scott Reed
It has been addresses, it is called IPv6. On 2/7/2011 8:01 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: On 7 February 2011 02:49, Justin Wilson > wrote: We are not out of IPv4 addresses. The unallocated pool is exhausted. There is a difference. Think of it in terms as water from

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/7/2011 11:07 AM, you wrote: >Definitely not directed at you butch. I just remember some of the >guys from those days. No, I'm not concerned about Butch, especially since there will be *some* customers who want IPv6, so it makes sense for many ISPs to provide the option. I'm thinking about

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Probably not directed towards ISPs, but to other organizations. http://fixedorbit.com/stats.htm http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ipv4-address-space.xml GE probably doesn't need 16M+ IPs. HP probably doesn't need 33M+ IPs. Ford probably doesn't need 16M+ IPs.. - Mike Hamme

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
Bret, Sure sounds like radar to me. jack On 2/7/2011 5:18 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > It's not the clients having the problem so much as it's the base which > is up on a mountain with the radio another 100 feet in the air. I don't > think this is a consumer device causing the problem. > > On 02/07

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Bret Clark
That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this weekend, started Friday night, on and off all weekend, then Sunday night everything is find

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Justin Wilson
Being able to talk IPv6 is the real problem. There will be content providers out there who will have v6 only networks. Even if you use all ipv4 space you or your upstream will need to be able to talk v6 in the near future. V4 is not going away. A separate v6 network will be layered on top of a

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Marco Coelho
Hey it was expensive to dig up some of those cobol programmer programmers. And thaw the rest. Marco On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > Definitely not directed at you butch. I just remember some of the guys from > those days. > > Sent from my iPhone4 > > On Feb 7, 2011, at 1

[WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Jeremie Chism
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Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
IKANO sells the Google Partner Edition for ISPs. Shaun Hogan (s...@ikano.com) is my rep. Use Google Standard for free up to 50 accounts. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > I know the ISP edition isn't available any more. What version or where is > the pla

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
It could be mobile military radars or during National Guard exercises, etc. What freqs are you using in the band? Does your mountain installation overlook any military training areas? On 2/7/2011 9:11 AM, Bret Clark wrote: > That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening > conti

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I second this theory. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Bret Clark
Hh...that just set off a light bulb...none in the immediate area, but I'm sure their stuff would be high powered enough to reach some distance. Something we are going to look into further. On 02/07/2011 02:04 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > It could be mobile military radars or during National

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/7/2011 11:34 AM, Matt wrote: > > No, it's not a real problem. I liken it to the exhaust of > homesteads in the > > past century. You used to be able to go to a land office and ask for your > > 40 acres. Then they ran out. But you could still buy a farm from somebody > > who previously had

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 2/7/2011 12:11 PM, Bret Clark wrote: > That's what I'm thinking but you'd think it would be happening > continuously. Yet we'll go several months without so much as a peep and > then boom...we are in interference hell. Had the problem again this > weekend, started Friday night, on and off all we

Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Jack Unger
Yes; their radars would be high-powered (perhaps megawatts). From your mountaintop location, you could have line-of-sight for 100 miles or more. If their radar was airborne, you could have LOS for 200 miles. Please keep us posted on what you turn up. jack (Chair - WISPA FCC Committee) 818-227-4

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Re: [WISPA] Very Random 5GHz Noise Problem

2011-02-07 Thread Bret Clark
This is happening in the entire 5GHz, we did have a spectrum analyzer up and we were able to catch the problem briefly. It looked like a high powered frequency hopper but we were unable to home in on it. The National Guard theory is sounding pretty good right now just because we'll go for so lo

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > I know the ISP edition isn't available any more. What version or where is the > place to go to get the replacement. I'm looking to use it for a couple > customers. http://domains.live.com Rubens -

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

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Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Microsoft Domains Live is currently free for the services and/or number of accounts demanded by small and medium ISPs. Google used to be free for ISPs with thousand of accounts, but that doesn't hold anymore... now it's time for freebies from Microsoft. Rubens On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Sh

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Chuck Hogg
I thought it wasn't free from MS for ISPs. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > Microsoft Domains Live is currently free for the services and/or > number of accounts demanded by small and medium ISPs. Google used to > be free for ISPs with thousand of accounts, b

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
It was free for 100 accounts, but was expanded to 500 accounts on the free version, and one can ask for more accounts without changing for a paid service. They might turn your down or not, no way to know beforehand. Rubens On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > I thought it wasn'

[WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-07 Thread Bret Clark
ft is made to broadband instead of telephone...basically filling the ILEC's coffers! The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all broadband providers! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 Bret Bre

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Shaun Hoggan
Rubens, Google apps Partner Edition, now Google Apps for ISPs, was free prior to 2008 but unless you registered your domain with Google prior to 2008 it is now a paid product. You should also be aware that Google no longer offers this service direct and they are utilizing the wholesale chann

[WISPA] WISPA Free Passes available

2011-02-07 Thread John Seaman
I know that a lot of WISPA members may be travelling to Orlando for the WISPA/FISPA event. As you may be aware, this event is being held the same week as the CTIA Wireless Expo which is also in Orlando. For a limited time, CTIA Wireless, in conjunction with the exhibiting companies, is offering

Re: [WISPA] CTIA Free Passes available

2011-02-07 Thread John Seaman
Sorry! Subject line should say CTIA Free Passes available From: John Seaman Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: WISPA Free Passes available I know that a lot of WISPA members may be travelling to Orlando for the WISPA/FISPA event. As you may be aware, thi

Re: [WISPA] Internet Runs Out Of IP Addresses

2011-02-07 Thread Scott Reed
I am not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think we are going to see some new applications that use some of the things that IPv6 offers, like multi-cast and any-cast in ways we can not imagine, yet. When they do and the consumer demand comes, the SOHO router market will catch. ISPs better

Re: [WISPA] Google ISP edition

2011-02-07 Thread Rubens Kuhl
That's why I mentioned that Microsoft Live Domains are like that, not Google Apps. Microsoft is mimicking what Google has done prior to 2008, and that's why I suggest using Microsoft instead of Google. As Google once taught to Microsoft, free (as in free beer) is an unbeatable price. If an ISP is

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-07 Thread Jeromie Reeves
gt; ILEC's coffers!  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make > it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all > broadband providers! > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 > > Bret > > Bret Clark > Spectra Access >

Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-07 Thread Brian Webster
illing the ILEC's coffers! The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all broadband providers! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 Bret Bret Clark Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street Manch

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