Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread David E. Smith
What I'd LOVE to figure out how to set up is a spoke and hub cache system. Squid (and probably other caches) support something similar, in the form of parent and child caches. It sorta works backwards from what you described, but the net benefit would be similar. Basically, you set up caches at

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread Dennis Burgess
You can do this as well with Mikrotik. MT is very, very simple. We have seen avg savings of between 20-40%. With 25-30% being avg. Also, you can specify what sites you want to cache, typically done by IP, but you could also say that you only want to cache sites that are on different areas

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Are you somehow redirecting traffic to the MT box, or having all the traffic go through the box? Cache hit rates are going to depend on the size of the network... a 250GB drive would only cache about 4 hours of http traffic on my network... hit rates would be less than 5% I would guess.

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread Dennis Burgess
Keep in mind that if you move 250 gig, that does not mean that it will cache that. CNN is an exaxmple that has a cache time of 0 seconds, so it never caches it.That type of thing.I have never had a major issue with MT caching services. Works VERY good. --

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread Matt
The people that we had the most problems with were web designers who's sites were cached and they couldn't easily see their changes. We always told then to add no cache to their sites. Thats an easy one to fix. Tell them to press [CTRL] F5. Thats all it takes on virtually any standards

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
You can build a good squid box with lots of memory and fast hard drives and get good results. The squid setup is also nearly infinitely tunable, as opposed to the ones in Mikrotik and StarOS which have a pretty vanilla configuration. Being able to tune the cache parameters helps a lot,

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-11 Thread George Rogato
I've been watching the internet tv for the past 9 months. CNN, FOX, NBC, etc all have their news online. It would be great if those were cachable. Just like on tv a lot of the news bits are over and over again and why should we have to keep paying each view. The content providers like akamai,

[WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
In another attempt to light the bandwidth load we are going to setup a cache server. Any thoughts or suggestions on which one to use? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread George
We used to have a caching server. You may also want to check out akamai They place their content servers at your noc so some content is closer to your customer. During dial up days we used both akamai and a squid caching server and it helped. Haven't done it for our bb system but also are going

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread David E. Smith
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: In another attempt to light the bandwidth load we are going to setup a cache server. Any thoughts or suggestions on which one to use? I know this is the popular answer to everything on this list, but Mikrotik RouterOS has a decent, and dead-simple to use, proxy/cache

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Patrick Nix Jr.
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: In another attempt to light the bandwidth load we are going to setup a cache server. Any thoughts or suggestions

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Dennis Burgess
immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread David E. Smith
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't notice, or know, or care, that you've got anything like that in your network. The savings in bandwidth (and, to a lesser extent, money not spent on bandwidth) can help you out of a

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Bo Ring
When I was an ISP, that 1% got me in real trouble. They scream loudly. On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't notice, or know, or care, that you've got anything like

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Jim Patient
:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: In another attempt to light the bandwidth load we are going to setup a cache server. Any thoughts or suggestions on which one to use? I know this is the popular answer

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server When I was an ISP, that 1% got me in real trouble. They scream loudly. On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread George Rogato
thoughts on a decent cache server When I was an ISP, that 1% got me in real trouble. They scream loudly. On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't notice, or know

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server When I was an ISP, that 1% got me in real trouble. They scream loudly. On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't notice, or know

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
. It worked very well and was really easy to configure, adjust. marlon - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Patrick Nix Jr. wrote

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: So is it safer/better to avoid caching servers altogether? About 99% of your users won't notice, or know, or care

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server The people that we had the most problems with were web designers who's sites were cached and they couldn't easily see their changes. We always told then to add no cache

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Travis Johnson
" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server The people that we had the most problems with were web designers who's sites were cached and they couldn't easily see their changes. We always told then to add

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server When we had that trouble we just had to teach them to use the shift, refresh trick. forced the cache to load the new page now instead of when it normally would have. No trouble with them after that. marlon

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server use the shift, refresh trick. That was a helpful tip. Is that just an IE6 thing? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Travis Johnson
appliance. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread George Rogato
, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server use the shift, refresh trick. That was a helpful tip. Is that just an IE6 thing? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Any stats, on how much RAM is a good amount to allocated for the cache servers, per user served? Obviously, a large fast DiskDrive, is needed if caching a lot of large files. I'd

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
, July 10, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Tom, You can find all kinds of information if you do searches on squid. It's a very popular caching system that runs on *nix. The amount of RAM is directly related to the size of the disk cache. When we had

Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server

2008-07-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah. I don't think they do any cache units anymore. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any thoughts on a decent cache server Shift R means it won't