..? The education would be over.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Laura
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM
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I had a nightmare trying to do apartment
into the accessories for that MT board.
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote
] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT.
Example:
Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote:
To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a
home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which
will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online
20, 2009 3:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
We are using Radius Manager 3
(http://www.radius-manager.com/?gclid=CNqwrZL8spwCFSMeDQodd2XJnQ). It's
not the best, but it is the best we found for the price.
Martha
Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched
on a
goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants
started
firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel
service
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind
NAT.
Example:
Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Sure, but the customer plugs that one connection into his own wireless
router and runs it as a DHCP server.
richard sterne wrote
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of richard sterne
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP
address?
Richard
2009/8/21 Eje
] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service and run
across this occasionally. We use PPPoE for logged in routers and DHCP to
put them
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of
NAT to hide what
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP'
detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP'
detection capabilities. Which would allow you
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible.
I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that
suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can
intelligently guess if there was NAT judging
Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The only one that I know that does that is Perftech.
Otherwise, it must be a black hole.
. . . J o n a t h a n
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
a rouge
ap don't need to be that hard if you can associate to it.
/Eje
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:43:09
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
21, 2009 6:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Rogue detection mostly a joke. Now before you go all whacky on me- I don't
mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who has brought
an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a hole
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I think it was Earthlink that did have a technology by which they could
see
the different MACs behind a router. I wish I could remember how they said
it
worked. They did tell me that at the time, they were not worrying about
how
many
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
For the Uber Geeks...
http://www.sflow.org/detectNAT/
Faisal Imtiaz
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
Hi All -
I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an
answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed
before.
Quick history, we are a facilities-based CLEC and provide phone and
broadband internet over a dedicated fiber-optic network. Through out
our service
Sounds like standard hotspot functionality.
Lots of ways to do that. For homegrown backend check out Mikrotik.
Jeff Yette wrote:
Hi All -
I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an
answer quickly, but I will apologize if this has been discussed
before.
Quick
: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Sounds like standard hotspot functionality.
Lots of ways to do that. For homegrown backend check out Mikrotik.
Jeff Yette wrote:
Hi All -
I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't
Jeff Yette wrote:
To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a
home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which
will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online
billing and web-mail - the only part is the is missing is the
We are using Radius Manager 3
(http://www.radius-manager.com/?gclid=CNqwrZL8spwCFSMeDQodd2XJnQ). It's
not the best, but it is the best we found for the price.
Martha
Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC
202-546-5898
*/Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
, August 20, 2009 3:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote:
To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a
home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which
will automatically create a radius account and e
Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small
DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power
line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really ugly with RF in
a hurry. Wireless absolutely? I don't know about the Meraki
hardware mentioned, but seem to
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Yette
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:17 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Hi All -
I've looked through several of the archives and wasn't finding an
answer quickly, but I
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote:
To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a
home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which
will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online
billing and web-mail
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM
thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet
over power line won't work because each apartment is on a separate
meter.
We set up some linksys wireless routers (SOHO flavor) and run than as
APs back to a
] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Where is the telephone demark. Access? You're a CLEC, put a small
DSLAM in there; Zhone? Or consider Ethernet over power
line. Apartment complexes of any size can get really
of the
building!
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Yette
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The Mikrotik might be the solution. No DirectTV - we
: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM
thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet
over power line won't work because each apartment
] On
Behalf Of Jeff Yette
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM
thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550. Ethernet
over power line won't work because
.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:00 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
I agree
Meter not the issue. Transformers are. You need one AP per phase (pair
of power wires). It should go past the meter since the power companies
are trying to go pole to inside. Direction through meter won't matter.
Jeff Yette wrote:
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Yette
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM
thing and we
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Then I'd go with the Broadband over power line. Could also
Scan the building to see the noise then you can see if wireless is viable.
Richard
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:12 PM
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Besides the Meter issue... its also a shared stream. So you get 10Mb across
the whole building to share with all of your customers. That might be an
issue, might not be.
I thought BPL was dead
, the electrical is part of the
building!
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Yette
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
The Mikrotik might be the solution
contact the sender and delete the material from
any computer.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
BPL
exactly
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed)
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:15 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Yep
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
exactly
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
Sent Mobile (Probably one handed
Those DSLAMs work good; we have a couple. ADSL2 works great over the
distances found on private properties.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 04:32:32PM -0400, Jeff Yette wrote:
The dmarks are trypically in the basements. We could do the DSLAM
thing and we have consider some 8 porters on ebay for $550.
I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a
goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started
firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service.
How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura
Jeff,
Are there any wires to each room? Like copper phone lines for xDSL? Do you
have to pay for these wires?
Obviously cat5 lines to each room is not going to get you a reasonable ROI.
Wireless should be an option - several devices have been suggested. If you
can simply get them to bridge
Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
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From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment
] Apartment Buildings
I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched
on a
goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants
started
firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel
service.
How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura
General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
Jeff Yette wrote:
To clarify, we are not looking for a hosted application, but more of a
home-grown solution. We have all of the components for billing, which
will automatically create a radius account and e-mail, we have online
billing and web
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