Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
Steve Stroh wrote: Mark: You're overlooking one critical difference between PCs and Wireless systems. PCs are UNintentional radiators, with radiated power levels that are very, very low. Wireless systems are intentional radiators, at significant power levels, and through unintended

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
Tom DeReggi wrote: ! --- SNIP --- 4) We discussed the option for self/group effort to certifying gear combinations. It won't be an option that will be viable. It must be a Manufacturer that applied for equipment certification, as there must be an accountable/responsible/liable party. A

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread George Rogato
Sam Tetherow wrote: So are you saying that a PCMCIA card with software and internal antenna is not certified? No one has yet to answer this question for me. Is it legal for Best Buy to sell DLink/Linksys/Netgear/Belkin/... pcmcia cards for laptops? What about USB dongles? If they are

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Sam Tetherow
George Rogato wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: So are you saying that a PCMCIA card with software and internal antenna is not certified? No one has yet to answer this question for me. Is it legal for Best Buy to sell DLink/Linksys/Netgear/Belkin/... pcmcia cards for laptops? What about USB

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Patrick Leary
, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit Sam

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Marty Dougherty
Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit You must not have little kids like I do! They got me up nice and early at 6:30 AM today. I would not know recognize a weekend morning without Sagwa or Clifford the Big Red

OT RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Patrick Leary
General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit And lately my nights are filled with the goodnight show ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread wispa
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:25:19 -0600, Sam Tetherow wrote Steve Stroh wrote: When a WISP slaps together a system, do they hook it up to a spectrum analyzer to insure that substantially all the radiated energy is contained within the desired band? No, they don't. When a WISP slaps

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread George Rogato
, February 19, 2007 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit First off Patrick, we will be going to the carpet in a few minutes when I get my thoughts collected. I just woke up an hour ago and am sometimes a little sluggish in the early hours. 2nd, Dlink, Linksys

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread W.D.McKinney
Feb 2007 13:06:43 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit No little kids here. Mine are all grown. One is the admin for OregonFAST.net and the other 2 are pc techs here as well. 2 of them are actually owners of this business. My wife mentioned having another but at 49, I'm

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread George Rogato
General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:06:43 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit No little kids here. Mine are all grown. One is the admin for OregonFAST.net and the other 2 are pc techs here as well. 2 of them are actually owners of this business. My

RE: OT RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Subject: OT RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit :) Nothing like cuddling up with the girls while they are still in their footy PJs. Of course, the dog likes to pile in too. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-18 Thread wispa
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:27:18 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Tom DeReggi wrote: The idea behind component certification and filing DoC type of certifications, is that there IS a sticker, and that sticker refers to a filing that describes EXACTLY what's in the box, whether

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread V Proffer
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit We just got back from FCC and FTC visits yesterday. A couple notes... 1) Both meetings had full staff attending, which I consider

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Dawn DiPietro
Mark, wireless ISP, exactly why would you know about it? Wireless guys are more likely to have some knowlege of the FCC.. non-wireless... The FCC is foreign and irrelevant to them. This argument is moot considering they were talking about WISP's, specifically, not non wireless guys.

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Steve Stroh
Mark: You're overlooking one critical difference between PCs and Wireless systems. PCs are UNintentional radiators, with radiated power levels that are very, very low. Wireless systems are intentional radiators, at significant power levels, and through unintended mixing, have the

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Steve Stroh wrote: When a WISP slaps together a system, do they hook it up to a spectrum analyzer to insure that substantially all the radiated energy is contained within the desired band? No, they don't. As odd as it may sound, I am in agreement with Mark on this one.

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Blair Davis
I, for one, agree with Butch. Parts certification is the way it needs to go. Hold the part manufactures responsible for their published numbers. Allow operators to mix-n-match parts as they see fit, within the power limits. Hold operators responsible for their EIRP numbers. This would

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread wispa
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:17:09 -0800, Steve Stroh wrote Mark: You're overlooking one critical difference between PCs and Wireless systems. I merely used PC's because anyone who's been around the PC business for a few years will be aware of the change that occurred a while back that allowed

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread wispa
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:02:09 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Steve Stroh wrote: As odd as it may sound, I am in agreement with Mark on this one. Mark went into detail about how it can (and should) be accomplished. For example: As much as we've had our differences and

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Patrick Leary
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit I, for one, agree with Butch. Parts certification is the way it needs to go. Hold the part manufactures responsible

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
, 2007 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:47:27 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote We just got back from FCC and FTC visits yesterday. A couple notes... 1) Both meetings had full staff attending, which I consider an honor. Each meeting lasted about 2 hours

[WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
We just got back from FCC and FTC visits yesterday. A couple notes... 1) Both meetings had full staff attending, which I consider an honor. Each meeting lasted about 2 hours. 2) Some of the WISPs had to cancel due to weather, but 3 made it, George Rigoto, Brent Anderson, and myself Tom

RE: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-16 Thread Mac Dearman
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit We just got back from FCC and FTC visits yesterday. A couple notes... 1) Both

Re: [WISPA] Brief report from FCC visit

2007-02-16 Thread wispa
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:47:27 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote We just got back from FCC and FTC visits yesterday. A couple notes... 1) Both meetings had full staff attending, which I consider an honor. Each meeting lasted about 2 hours. 2) Some of the WISPs had to cancel due to weather, but 3