t;Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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You make the mistake of assuming that I am talking about an unlicensed
3.65
product Charles. We would not likely build a UL versio
grind. Brad
Its very possible that Alvarion's views were made in the intent to cause
possitive change for the benefit of all. But I did not get that impression
based on my views that I expressed earlier in this post.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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>In other words, the number of
> licenses is infinite.
Yes, but you leave out that there is a requirement to attempt to coexist, or
cooperate to attempt to co-exist.
And it brings ou
>
> Tom DeReggi
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> S
o, until resolved.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:49 AM
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position somewhat.
Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:56 AM
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I misunderstood one of your earlier emails then. I thought you were
advocating the split of the entire
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There is only 50Mhz available if I recall, so how many
4:34 AM
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There is only 50Mhz available if I recall, so how many licensees can
their be if each is given multiple 5Mhz channels? If only one or two
companies are allowed to play in a given market then I expect 3.65Ghz to
miss the market
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The radios that exist for 900Mhz today barely qualify from a delivered
bandwidth perspective. We hardly ever lead with a 1.5Mbps service, but
sometimes are
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The radios that exist for 900Mhz today barely qualify from a delivered
bandwidth perspective. We hardly ever lead with a 1.5Mbps service, but
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The radios that exist for
radio.
Patrick
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The radios that exist for 900Mhz today barely qualify from a delivered
bandwidth perspective. We hardly ever lead
the market that will use the
entire swath of band from one radio UNLESS it is a P2P radio, in which case
the entire range should be usable.
Patrick
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range should be usable.
Patrick
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:58 PM
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Splitting up the band will just make it useless and interference free.
-Matt
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Hi Patrick,
But all the "fancy schmancy" technology you implement won't do @#$@ unless
3650 is licensed b/c interference from 20 other systems in the area
(inclu
nch & dinner =(
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To say the least -- a highly upsetting (to many operators) isse abou
80
noise
floor
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Charles Wu wrote:
>W
Charles Wu wrote:
What do you think is going to happen?
Exactly the same thing that we have with 5.8Ghz, but without all the
non-operators. While that isn't the same as mutually exclusive spectrum,
it is a big step forward for all of us successful companies using 5.8Ghz.
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But, 3.65 isn't going to be unlicensed; it i
dinner =(
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:41 PM
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neral List'
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All WiMAX vendors will have some version of this type of CPE since that is a
mandatory requirement for licensed band operators. Each will have their own
attempts at special sauce to differentiate their offering. It will get very
interesting co
CTED] On
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:02 AM
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The benchmark is the ability to provide NLOS, portable or fixed service to
at least a 2 mile radius per cell, indoors.
5.8 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance
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The benchmark is the ability to provide NLOS, portable or fixed service to
at least a 2 mile radius per c
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From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:58 PM
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Is Alvarion going to do the same for 5.8G unlicensed Wimax?
All though license and high power may not be there, the technical
have not
been interesting!)
Patrick
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:15 PM
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Patrick Leary wrote:
> A. More power Tom. B. Much more sophistication in the equipm
t;Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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A. More power Tom. B. Much more sophistication in the equipment yielding
much higher spectral efficiency and system gain.
Frequ
Pretty exciting.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650
To make it easier, maybe you can give what you believe to be an industry
price. I realize you can't give a price of Alvarion at this point. But
you can give us a hip shoot of what you think common pricing for ce and
ap are.
Thanks
George
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Patrick Leary wrote:
A. More power Tom. B. Much more sophistication in the equipment yielding
much higher spectral efficiency and system gain.
Frequency plays a major role, but you need to understand that other factors
are of almost similar levels of importance. For example, our 802.16e version
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> 3.5Ghz does,
I find that hard to believe. 2.4Ghz could
lowed.
Not sure whats at the other 3.5G ranges in US.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Patrick,
It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited" deployments
as a "test" but still charged for the access service,
, 2006 5:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment, WIMAX?
So Patrick, can we expect 3.65 be available at the same time as 5.4 ...
q3-q4 ?
Gino A. Villarini
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nk 5.4 is going to solve part of that?
>
> Tom DeReggi
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>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:07 PM
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Gino,
Is Towerstream doing this - using
ernet, NO WIRES!
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All the same time, the industry doesn't bother to fill
36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
Can you blame them?
Congress is now considering demanding that ALL ISP's log ALL data to and
from thier customers.
Seems like a few someones a while back thought that we needed more
government involvement in the IS
So, 3650MHz isn't going to fall under Part90 rules?
Brad
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Comments inline.
> Ev
t;>> evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources that
>>>> is available today will be compliant. *shrug*
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, &qu
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>
> In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier deployment
> which would deliver thousands of CPE's ser
: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:18 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment, WIMAX?
That is part of the reconsideration process. The FCC (per multiple talks
with the folks that wrote the rule) did not intent to exclude WiMAX, 802.16,
or 802.11 products from use in 365
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Will the 3650 be WIMAX'able. I understand that the 3650 is supposed t
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Will the 3650 be WIMAX'able. I understand that the 3650 is supposed to
be contention based and WIMAX is not contention based.
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In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier deployment
which would deliver thousands of CP
said:
Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
commercial services using 3650MHz.
- Patrick
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>
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>
> Gino,
>
> Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to
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> Jeffrey,
>
> I have to question the "j
t; >
> > -
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> >>Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
> >>commercial service
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Gino,
They may need that many to test the full throughput capabilities. So
what are the details of what they are doing?
jack
Gino A. Villarini wrote:
> Do you really think towerstream need 150 field units or cpes to "tes
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Gino,
Is Towerstream
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Gino,
Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial service?
jack
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Gino,
Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial
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Jeffrey,
I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of anyone
who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed
&qu
: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
Jeffrey,
I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of anyone
who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed
"experimental" system and using it for a commercial, revenue-generating
purpose. Someone who would d
said:
Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
commercial services using 3650MHz.
- Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
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> Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
> commercial services using 3650MHz.
>
> - Patrick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
&g
Will the 3650 be WIMAX'able. I understand that the 3650 is supposed to
be contention based and WIMAX is not contention based.
Any updates?
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sure.
Hi Jeff, so sure is your answer, and no is Patricks.
You got something different than Patrick that says a wisp can set up a
link and put it into production 24/7?
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erator today CANNOT launch any
> > commercial services using 3650MHz.
> >
> > - Patrick
> >
> > -Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
I understood that the 3650 was not to be used in commercial links. I'm
assuming money makes it commercial.
I would like to deploy a couple links for non paying situations, cameras
for a city park. I'd also like to have the licenseand not be wasting
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be "breaking the
law" w/ a 3650 deployment
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Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
commercial services using 3650MHz.
- Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM
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Read
neral List'"
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
No one. The allocation is not yet finalized. Any licenses being granted
are
24 month STAs (special temporary authority). One cannot deploy fee-based
services using an STA as STA's are intended
Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be "breaking the
law" w/ a 3650 deployment
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Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
No one. The allocation is not yet finalized. Any licenses being granted are
24 month STAs (special temporary authority). One cannot deploy fee-based
services using an STA as
I thought someone said that Redline had a system out for testing?
Actualy I thought Bullit said he had some deployed.
Does Alvarion have a system that they are testing?
George
Patrick Leary wrote:
No one. The allocation is not yet finalized. Any licenses being granted are
24 month STAs (speci
No one. The allocation is not yet finalized. Any licenses being granted are
24 month STAs (special temporary authority). One cannot deploy fee-based
services using an STA as STA's are intended for testing purposes.
Sources within the FCC tell me though that the decision is coming to a head,
maybe
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