Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-21 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
..@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) > > ARGH! > > I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii > time before they

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
at this point in time no one > seems to be able to help us out down here. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] sp

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread John Thomas
:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of John Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you > can legitimately run BGP and multi hom

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread RickG
> Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial > > DS3. > > > > 10mb: $4300 > > 20mb: $4788 > > 30mb: $5300 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wi

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
AT&T's deal is based on the loops being under 25 miles. There's another price for 25 to 50 miles. I think it's also a 2xT minimum or something like that. I'm almost at capacity on my 4xT circuit. I have been trying to pull a tricky deal with them but so far it's not working. My territory is

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
Some are in areas that will never support that much overhead. - Original Message - From: "Richey" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > That&

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
wow. i can get that for way under 2k... - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > Agreed > > I lo

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jason Hensley
11:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different carriers there (Qwest, AT&T, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
009 12:05 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > Peter & Matt, some one's knocking > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Chuck Profito
Peter & Matt, some one's knocking -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depen

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Brad Belton
ssage- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 diff

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread eje
price match ACC but they did. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Mike Hammett" Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:02:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I'm going back through my contacts for you. - Mik

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
cs-il.com -- From: "Rick Kunze" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > They're close to 1/2 that now. > > Rk > > On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Cha

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: > Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial > DS3. > > 10mb: $4300 > 20mb:

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
On 3/18/2009 7:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I only call the telco once on billing problems now. If that doesn't fix it > I call the PUC. I concur. That REALLY gets their attention. I did it with my LEC some years back when Frontier was still Citizens. Now I call them Frontizens. Once I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
On 3/17/2009 8:49 PM, RickG wrote: > Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing > issues! -RickG This is also true! Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Rick Kunze
They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: > Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial > DS3. > > 10mb: $4300 > 20mb: $4788 > 30mb: $5300 > > WISPA

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
ics-il.com -- From: "Richey" Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:02 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they > are starting out. > >

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
--- Original Message - From: "Chadd Thompson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > Been there done that. > > We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't > remov

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Richey
neral List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Origin

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
lf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I > won't > say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jason Hensley
> 20mb: $4788 > 30mb: $5300 > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > It w

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Regards, > > Jeff > ImageStream > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
a.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts o

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Richey" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > Why should you HAVE to pay for something tha

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread Jeff Broadwick
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 11:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even at $

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
; 30mb: $5300 > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > It would be pos

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread RickG
> > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > It would be possible to get a wirel

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Richey
your traffic rolls over to the T1. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not prac

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP >>> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for >>> the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks >>> are non portable. >>> >>> /rant

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't > say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Travis Johnson
ssage- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Olle Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they cou

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Chadd Thompson
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I won't say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet justification. - Mike Hammett Intell

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread John Thomas
ovider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks > are non portable. > > /rant off > > Richey > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Cliff Olle > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:0

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
l.com -- From: "Richey" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > /rant on > > Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
No. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Cliff Olle" Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:01 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > I w

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
time after >>> receiving 1hr 15 min. >>> >>> Don Renner >>> NetsurfUSA >>> 812-936-4514 >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Dylan

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.
http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ > > > > JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7 hours straight > > to churn the data into FCC acceptabledata. I'll keep my comments to > > myself on this. > > > > Dylan > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Richey
7;WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are only using 4 class Cs? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Hammett
They won't even come knocking on your door if you don't file at all, so I think you'll be okay. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] s

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
gt; > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) > > If you're askin

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Dylan Bouterse
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) ARGH! I was late (even by pacific time, I wonder if they wait until Hawaii time before they mak

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Don Renner
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments) If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes. http://www.fcc.gov/form477/ JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only too

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Piehn > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. > > > Sco

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Cliff Olle
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-17 Thread Scott Piehn
One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. Scott - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > If you are multihomed you need to justify a /2

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-17 Thread Randy Cosby
the data into FCC acceptabledata. I'll keep my comments to myself on this. Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN What i

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

2009-03-16 Thread Dylan Bouterse
@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN What is the due date for that form? Cliff Olle wrote: With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the f

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread John Thomas
If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and > will need more pretty soon in one location. > > A

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolut

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Reed
Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn&#

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Cliff Olle
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? We don't ever TRACK most of what they want. sig

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread reader
you feel better? - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? > >

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
crap out. My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this! g marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Piehn" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > agreed > > When we had speci

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Piehn
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its > easy. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread Scott Carullo
You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its easy. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN