RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Advantages of Controller-based Wireless

2007-06-14 Thread Frank Bulk
Tom: You didn't need the management capabilities of a CBW product because you had AirWave do that for you. Nothing wrong with that. It's just that most organizations prefer to use the vendor's management interface rather than a third-party one. The first point you raise about true mobility is d

Advantages of Controller-based Wireless

2007-06-14 Thread Tom Zeller
Different vendor products offer different extra gravy. But in general, I see CBW as providing only a few benefits. They are important benefits for large scale implementations, but may not be worth the additional cost for small to medium scale deployments. I see the main advantages as: 1) True m

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Frank Bulk
Most wireless networks will not see the effect of co-channel interference and degradation from neighboring networks unless they are moving serious amounts of traffic. Remember the Network Computing's tests used Chariot to fill the pipe. So just because you haven't seen a problem in your deployme

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Frank Bulk
Good discussion going on here. It should probably be clarified that having a controller does not mean that all the data flows have to or will be centralized. There are generally three planes: management, control, and data. Almost all the vendors provide a centralized management plan and that's

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Ruiz, Mike
Flexibility is paramount in any Wireless network. We all want to build the minimum to meet the coverage and performance expectations for today and tomorrow. The problem is what about day after tomorrow? Once wireless kindles in minor uses and innovation begins then the usage patterns start to

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Kevin Whitney wrote: Any thoughts or advice on implementing/selecting a wireless system for use in a High School environment ? Hi Kevin, In talking to IT staff from K-12's at our (WiscNet's) last conference, one interesting thing I found was that technology has to

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread John Center
Hi Kevin, At Villanova, we're migrating from Cisco "fat" APs to Meru. One of the things we found is, we need fewer Meru APs than before. For example, we were able to provide service for over 500 law students taking exams with 10 Meru APs in 5 classrooms. Since all the APs were on a single

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Winders, Timothy A
Kevin - 25 APs is getting on the heavy side for managing them individually. We had around that number of Cisco FAT APs and management was very difficult. I didn't have an easy way to determine usage, upgrade software, update configurations or do troubleshooting. Going to a controller based syst

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Brooks, Stan
Kevin - I would caution against just looking at coverage for your high school deployment. I would also consider your user density. We originally went for coverage over capacity at our Law School deployment a couple of years ago. When the instructors "discovered" wireless coverage, they had t

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Kevin Whitney
May be a little off subject but I would like to post question out there as it seems there are some happy Meru users here on this forum.. Any thoughts or advice on implementing/selecting a wireless system for use in a High School environment ? Specifically, would love any feedback on pros/con

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Molta
Debbie, They were Intel 2915 clients. I have some pretty dense spreadsheets covering various permutations of clients and infrastructure if you are interested in seeing raw results. We didn't come away from this with any firm conclusions about what's good and what's bad (I guess we've learned our l

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Scholz, Greg
We just selected Foundry wireless (AKA Rebranded Meru) in part because they "do it different". We are a Foundry shop and have found that Foundry makes excellent decisions for their products so their choice to work with Meru for their wireless solution adds to our confidence that Meru is an excelle

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread debbie fligor
On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:24, Dave Molta wrote: Just to elaborate a bit, the article James sent around was not the original Meru-Cisco feature story but rather a column that reports on results of subsequent testing. In this column, I reported three things. First, Cisco was unsuccessful in gett

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Winders, Timothy A
I misspoke. We do have the visualize and locate pieces. We have not imported maps for all our areas yet and haven't fully explored the capabilities. Tim Winders | Associate Dean of Information Technology | South Plains College From: Winders, Timothy A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thur

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Winders, Timothy A
Each controller has it's own web-based interface for management and configuration. For smaller installations, this should be good enough. When you get to larger installations with multiple controllers and require location and visualization you'll want to look at the Application Suite product. You

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Winders, Timothy A
Thanks for the clarification, Dave. I hadn't seen the followup to the original article. This is very helpful. Tim Winders | Associate Dean of Information Technology | South Plains College From: Dave Molta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:25 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@L

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Molta
Just to elaborate a bit, the article James sent around was not the original Meru-Cisco feature story but rather a column that reports on results of subsequent testing. In this column, I reported three things. First, Cisco was unsuccessful in getting the Wi-Fi Alliance to rescind Meru's certificatio

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Lee H Badman
A while back, Meru did not yet have a central management console, but it was pending while we decided on which thin AP road to go down. Can anyone comment on how effective/buggy Meru's management platform is? Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer KC2IYK, CWNA/CWSP Information Technology and Ser

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Ruiz, Mike
Jamie, My Meru network was one of the test networks used in the evaluation of the product for that article. While onsite the engineers were not able, on the latest GA code, to verify any violation of the standard and found no problems with good neighbor behaviours. It is very important to pay

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Winders, Timothy A
We did just the same thing this year. We had a relatively small Cisco AP installation, with about 25 APs. We needed to go to full campus coverage would have to forklift the Cisco gear. We went with Meru and I've never looked back. Our wired gear is all Cisco, but we've been very pleased with th

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco vs. Meru article

2007-06-14 Thread Peter Morrissey
I'm with you Jamie. Standards are extremely important, but only to the extent that they serve the consumer. You still have to buy the whole system from one vendor, so what is the difference? As long as the clients will be interoperable, then I don't think it really matters. I could be missing somet