Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread James Shaver
I am headed to 17 myself - maybe I’ll see you there :) > On Apr 30, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Hasan al-Basri > wrote: > > Hi Jim, and tnx 20m FT4 qso. > > I have been spotted on 40m, 20m, 30m in the last 10 min or so. I have not > seen any spots from my 17m signal, nor have I seen any sigs. > > I'

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread Hasan al-Basri
Hi Jim, and tnx 20m FT4 qso. I have been spotted on 40m, 20m, 30m in the last 10 min or so. I have not seen any spots from my 17m signal, nor have I seen any sigs. I'll try a few CQs on 15 and 10 to see if any spots show up. 73, N0AN Hasan On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 9:50 AM James Shaver wrote:

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread James Shaver
*my. Not “it” Auto correct on iOS hates me. > On Apr 30, 2019, at 10:47 AM, James Shaver wrote: > > I watched one CW signal on 40 intentionally move until it was zero beat with > MY signal. Not a single QSO was disrupted by them. Hilariously, their > attempt to QRM gave me great data about

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread James Shaver
I watched one CW signal on 40 intentionally move until it was zero beat with it signal. Not a single QSO was disrupted by them. Hilariously, their attempt to QRM gave me great data about how easily the protocol will reject DQRM of that nature. The irony is delicious. Jim S. N2ADV > On Apr 3

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread Joe
are you talking about the 7047 frequency? Is so, then possibly the issue is because of the W1AW CW Practice frequency is 7.0475 Could be a problem? Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 4/30/2019 6:43 AM, Gary Kohtala - K7EK vi

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread Gary Kohtala - K7EK via wsjt-devel
It's already happening. Just a few minutes ago on the current 40m FT4 frequency I am hearing multipleattempts at jamming and harassment. People tuning up and swishing their VFO's, sending unidentifiedCW messages such as "Go away", etc. They have to be very optimistic thinking that (m)any of the

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread Bill Somerville
On 30/04/2019 12:25, Christoph Berg wrote: Band Iter0   Iter1 Notes - 80    3595    3575   (plus 3568 Region 3) 40    7090    7047 Shouldn't 60m be included here as well? (Also FT8) (My assumption is that FT4 will take much of the existing FT8 traffic,

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread James Shaver
60 is never included because people don’t read before they transmit (I know that’s a shocker) and were transmitting out of band or illegally because of the vast differences between 60 meter rules. > On Apr 30, 2019, at 7:25 AM, Christoph Berg wrote: > > Re: Bill Somerville 2019-04-29 > <6c16

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-30 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Bill Somerville 2019-04-29 <6c16f722-5577-e692-e1a3-78a3c38b9...@classdesign.com> > In summary WSJT-X v2.1.0 RC5 will have the following FT4 suggested > frequencies (the Iter1 column): > > Band Iter0   Iter1 Notes > - > 80    3595    3575   (plus 3568

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-29 Thread Bill Somerville
On 29/04/2019 16:05, Grant VK5GR wrote: At the risk of incurring the wrath of the JT65 folks, your suggestion in my mind has some merit. I would go as far to say an alternate strategy is to take the old JT65 frequencies and use them for FT4, and have the JT65 folks move to the JT9 channels –

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-29 Thread Grant VK5GR
[mailto:geo...@molnar.tv] Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2019 12:16 AM To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies A quick two cents… Is there a good reason why FT4 could not use the existing JT65 and JT9 watering holes on all

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-29 Thread George J. Molnar
A quick two cents… Is there a good reason why FT4 could not use the existing JT65 and JT9 watering holes on all bands? They are quite clear most of the time, and considerate operators could certainly share, especially with JT9. In areas where licenses don’t allow operation on the watering holes

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-29 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Grant, My main criteria was to try and offer suggestions that stay within the band plan narrow band digital mode sections. Although there are no good solutions for some bands (80m, 40m and 20m particularly) I think going below those sections is not justifiable as that would be straying into

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting - more on frequencies

2019-04-29 Thread Grant VK5GR
welcome! Regards, Grant From: Bill Somerville [mailto:g4...@classdesign.com] Sent: Monday, 29 April 2019 9:00 PM To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting Hi Grant, thanks for taking the time to look at possibilities

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-29 Thread Bill Somerville
On 29/04/2019 12:30, Bill Somerville wrote: So in summary, I am suggesting amending our proposed suggested frequencies for FT4 to: *3595 kHz all regions 1 and 2** **3568 kHz region 3* *7074 kHz all regions* 10140 kHz all regions - shared with JT9 and JS8CALL *14080 kHz all regions* 18104

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-29 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Grant, thanks for taking the time to look at possibilities for FT4 band slots. Comments in line below. On 26/04/2019 12:15, Grant VK5GR wrote: Joe et al, A word if I may about frequency choices. Some of those proposed for FT4 probably leave a bit to be desired. Here are some thoughts to c

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Grant VK5GR
: Saturday, 27 April 2019 8:59 AM To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting I'm not sure a WARC ban (not band, but ban) is necessary. This is touted as a contest mode but people will use it for regular DX contacts if it saves them time ve

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread rjai...@gmail.com
as a international contesting band for FT8 so not as critical >> - but my suggestion would be look below 50.313 not above. >> >> For discussion folks. >> >> Regards, >> Grant VK5GR >> WIA Appointee to the IARU Region 3 Band Plan committee >> >> >

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Brian Dickman
rds, > Grant VK5GR > WIA Appointee to the IARU Region 3 Band Plan committee > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 1:04 AM > To: WSJT software development > Subject: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Pro

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Don AA5AU
WIA Appointee to the IARU Region 3 Band Plan committee -Original Message- From: Joe Taylor [mailto:j...@princeton.edu] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 1:04 AM To: WSJT software development Subject: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting To:  WSJT-X users interested in te

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Andras Bato
ments. Not likely to get a > lot of airplay as a international contesting band for FT8 so not as > critical > - but my suggestion would be look below 50.313 not above. > > For discussion folks. > > Regards, > Grant VK5GR > WIA Appointee to the IARU Region 3 Band Pla

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Grant VK5GR
: WSJT software development Subject: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting To: WSJT-X users interested in testing FT4 From: K1JT, K9AN, and G4WJS Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious work on a faster, more contest-friendly digital mo

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-25 Thread Tom Melvin
Thanks Bill I was not sure of the answer - so great, if the format is supported currently in FT8 it will be in FT4 - good. I see the EU VHF contest mode is getting a little more use now - mainly the Nordic 50 Mhz contest. Regards Tom -- 73’s Tom GM8MJV (IO85) On 25 Apr 2019, at 19:24, D

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-25 Thread Bill Somerville
On 23/04/2019 16:40, Tom Melvin wrote: I don’t want to assume so will ask - FT4 aimed at ‘Contest Friendly digital modes’ - cool - BUT will it cater for the pile of weird contest rules that are out there. The abundance of requests for QSO Parties, Field Days where non-standards messages. Heck

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-25 Thread Dave Boniface
Hi Tom, GM8MJV. My thoughts exactly. However of course it's not just UK contesting it's the EU and most of Region 1 where 6 character locators are needed to be exchanged. 73's all Dave, M0HJS. On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 16:43, Tom Melvin wrote: > > > Hi All > > I don’t want to assume so will as

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-24 Thread Joe Taylor
Thanks to Michael Chen, BD5RV, for translating "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting" into Chinese. The English document and all available translations are now will posted on the WSJT-X web page: https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx.html Scroll down to near the bottom.

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-24 Thread Joe Taylor
Thanks to Saku Nylund, OH1KH, for translating "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting" into Finnish. I have posted the translation here: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol_fi.pdf A link to this document in English and all available translations will soon be posted on the WS

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-23 Thread Paul Kube
Thanks Joe, Steve, and Bill. This looks very good. 1. Where do you want folks to submit their feedback after using the RC? You all seem to be good at dealing with the firehose of emails coming in to wsjt-devel, but maybe you want to set up something just for this. 2. Any chance of having "Best S+

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Taylor
Thanks to Dany Bélanger, VE2EBK, for translating "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting" into French. I have posted the translation here: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol_fr.pdf -- 73, Joe, K1JT ___ wsjt-devel mailing list

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-23 Thread Tom Melvin
Hi All I don’t want to assume so will ask - FT4 aimed at ‘Contest Friendly digital modes’ - cool - BUT will it cater for the pile of weird contest rules that are out there. The abundance of requests for QSO Parties, Field Days where non-standards messages. Heck for us UK VHF types - 6 chara

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-23 Thread Joe Taylor
Thanks to Miguel Iborra, EA4BAS, for translating "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting" into Spanish. I have posted the translation here: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol_es.pdf -- 73, Joe, K1JT ___ wsjt-devel mailing lis

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Edfel Rivera
Hi: The Dev Team raise again the level. Given FT8 success, FT4 Could be another killer mode. I hope so. Now some questions, When the Dev Team expects the mode will be available for loading QSO with it. Yes I know it is premature but... have to ask. Until that QSO are advised to upload as "DAT

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread David F4HTQ
di 22 avril 2019 17:34 À : WSJT software development Objet : [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting To: WSJT-X users interested in testing FT4 From: K1JT, K9AN, and G4WJS Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious work on a faster, more c

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Bill Frantz
On 4/22/19 at 1:41 PM, a...@abartlett.org (Adam Bartlett) wrote: I could also see some non-contest uses for it - think SOTA/WWFF/POTA type 'activations' which are not WARC band restricted but where an operator may wish to use a higher throughput rate for QSOs. While primarily a contest tool, FT

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Adam Bartlett
I could also see some non-contest uses for it - think SOTA/WWFF/POTA type 'activations' which are not WARC band restricted but where an operator may wish to use a higher throughput rate for QSOs. While primarily a contest tool, FT4 could serve as a mechanism for operators who operate non-contest a

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Joe Taylor
Hi Jordan, On 4/22/2019 14:30, Jordan Sherer KN4CRD wrote: Contesting on the WARC bands is discouraged. It seems reasonable to think that including calling frequencies on 10/18/24 MHz should be avoided for this mode since it is specifically designed for radio contesting. Do you agree? Of cou

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Joe Taylor
Thanks to Enrico Schürrer, OE1EQW, for translating "The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting" into German. I have posted the translation here: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/FT4_Protocol_de.pdf -- 73, Joe, K1JT ___ wsjt-devel mailin

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Jordan Sherer
Interesting development, Joe. One thought here, though. > The result is FT4 -- a new digital mode specifically designed for *radio contesting* Contesting on the WARC bands is discouraged. It seems reasonable to think that including calling frequencies on 10/18/24 MHz should be avoided for this mo

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread John Evans
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:34, Joe Taylor wrote: > > To: WSJT-X users interested in testing FT4 > From: K1JT, K9AN, and G4WJS > > Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious > work on a faster, more contest-friendly digital mode that can c

[wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-22 Thread Joe Taylor
To: WSJT-X users interested in testing FT4 From: K1JT, K9AN, and G4WJS Soon after the "FT8 Roundup" held on December 1-2, 2018, we started serious work on a faster, more contest-friendly digital mode that can compete with RTTY-contesting QSO rates while preserving many of the benefits of FT8