Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > And since when is capitalism a good thing? A system that puts a price on > human life and renders the hypocrates oath of doctors a farse and a charade > of hypocrisy, where you can only get medical treatment if you

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

..hmmm, even the apple seed dreams of being a fruitful tree one day. That said, know the difference between profit and greed. And turning the wheel sharply to come back to topic... Proprietary OS's are extrinsically motivated in profit, power, et al. Linux is intrinsically motivated for a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Guang Chao wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Michael Höhne > wrote: > > > Joao Monteiro wrote: > > > > > > > 99% of humankind's social problems are rooted right there... in > > > greed. > > > > You're so damn

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Dang, Steve, it's official... you are the devil's advocate's assistant...lol... I do agree wit you and those that stand for variety, diversity, choices-availability and freedom. What I have been trying to figure, is a way of having a distro dedicated of acting as a life-saver, a safe and easy to

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

And since when is capitalism a good thing? A system that puts a price on human life and renders the hypocrates oath of doctors a farse and a charade of hypocrisy, where you can only get medical treatment if you can afford to pay for it? Would like to see you speaking high of greed and capitalism

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 14:25:03 +0800 Guang Chao wrote: > But on the downside, open source is so fragmented. See how many > distro there are. How many desktop manager. How many projects doing > the same thing. Instead of the large majority focusing on only few > good

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Michael Höhne wrote: > Joao Monteiro wrote: > > > > 99% of humankind's social problems are rooted right there... in greed. > > You're so damn right!!! > But greed is important. That's what makes capitalism effective.

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > And that's not a bad thing, Guang, on the contrary variety, choices, > creativity... the very spices of Life itself. > > What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. > But imagine.

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Got to love your humbleness hahaha... But yeah, I understand what you're saying. But read my idea again please... It's not so far fetched or dreamy as it may sound snd it's doable... if the major players are willing to join efforts to pull it off. A real building with a real setup like

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Ohhh I s agree with you both, David & Fred (btw, welcome back David, > hope you are well my friend). > > I have for my whole life stating that the only constant in Life is Change. I > stand for it. > > But

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

> On related but not so related. I really hate that 99.99% of laptops now are pre-installed with Windows. And part of the cost of the device came from the OS. 5 years ago, I can still buy laptops without bundled OS and save some $$$. Why is it assumed that all laptop users wants MSWindows?

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

| What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel Linus wrote a kernel to help his students and long story short gave it to the world. The FOSS community adopted it and now we have diversity. The arguments to reduce this

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

I'd love to get stuck in to writing/proof-reading good docs for the Linux community. I've done this professionally for University Radiation Protection. This the point; the writer/proof-reader needs to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the subject and/or experts to correct misapprehensions and

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

There is nothing wrong with getting paid for one's work, Guang. What is deplorable is to make of the financial profit the goal, the priority, in detriment of quality, usability, usefulness, consistency, reliability, availability, etc... and of course, in being greedy in the profit itself.. 99% of

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. > > I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying > from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own > limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. > > Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do > it,

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and unfortunately when I hit "reply" my phone just opens a new blank window to reply, so my

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:26:20 +0100 Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't > want to break any etiquette. http://bfy.tw/CoLm SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

No, Peter, I confess I haven't. Not because of costs or that I was unaware of it, but merely because I'm making a genuine effort to stick to Linux alone, as I do need to learn it as well as I can. Hence, I'm not installing wine, so that I don't fall for the temptation of resorting to windows when

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want > to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. > Bottom posting is what almost everyone this list does - reply underneath the original

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Really hard, not impossible, Guan. Where there is a will, there is a way. And there's a will already... with patience, the way will come ;) On 13 Jul 2017 00:55, "Guang Chao" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote:

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

Hi Richard, Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do it, everybody can. And yet, I'm aware that there's a myriad of reasons why sometimes we may not be

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > q.v. > > Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this > forum useful. > Same to me. I

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for > alternatives, the odd couple of

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for > my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided > any drivers for linux. And after a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Haha, noticed lol... I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for alternatives, the odd couple of them available are exceedingly

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:51:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >>- CAD wise, linux is still useless > >I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are >satisfied with Linux for CAT. ^^^ *lol* Not a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >- CAD wise, linux is still useless I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are satisfied with Linux for CAT. The real-time patches seem to work. Much likely it's the same as for pro-audio, which is my domain. How much

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" q.v. Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this forum useful. On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Fair enough Ralph and I respect your opinion. Yet, allow me to ask you to consider that you may have misunderstood my purpose for this thread and to say that in my opinion it is a pitty if you choose to not jump into it because you do have very good and strong views on all this, that can bring

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Right. Comparisons. As much as they may be unfair, not sensible or even downright absurd, they are an intrinsic part of life - and of our human nature. That's a fact. A substantial part of the decisions that we make in our everyday lives are based on the conclusions that we make after making

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Hi, while it's a good idea to open a new thread, instead of becoming off-topic for another thread, I guess it's not useful to continue this discussion. At least I've said what I wanted to contribute to this discussion. Regards, Ralf PS:

[xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned it, the purpose of this thread is simple: My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my rookie means, in a threefold manner... 1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists and