Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:34:23 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:37:34 -0800 Warren Nagourney war...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Thanks, Derick. Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:27:42 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:09:48 +1100 Robert Spykerman robert.spyker...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: ...snip... Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you meet

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread Derick Centeno
From: rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com Reply-To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com To: yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:42:35 -0800 (14:42 EST) Mailer

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2010-01-14 Thread rhubbell
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:59:18 -0500 Derick Centeno wrote: From: rhubbell rhubb...@ihubbell.com Reply-To: Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com To: yellowdog-general@lists.fixstars.com Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-28 Thread Derick Centeno
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:20:18 -0500 Rob Sanders ra...@travelinglightfarm.net wrote: It is an interesting article, and reminds me of some discussions I've had with 'younger' programmers at work. One of my coworkers is an absolutely awesome web developer, using the newer frameworks (Groovy

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Derick Centeno
I found an article discussing IBM's decision to cancel the Cell which I'm posting for others here. I'm satisfied it comes close enough to what he described. Here's that article: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:46:10 -0800

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Derick Centeno
I thought you, Rob and interested others would find this article interesting as it follows along the lines of what you stated earlier with some different details. First the article: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars You'll note that future

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-27 Thread Rob Sanders
It is an interesting article, and reminds me of some discussions I've had with 'younger' programmers at work. One of my coworkers is an absolutely awesome web developer, using the newer frameworks (Groovy on Grails) to develop from scratch a replacement GUI for out linux security tools

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Sanders
I haven't done much with YDL in some time as I've changed jobs, but I'd just like to chime in that several years ago that the PPC Linux's ( YDL for Mac, full RedHat/SuSE on some IBM OpenPower720 hardware) was running rings around the equivalent x86 -or- Alpha based platforms we were doing

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Warren Nagourney
I think one needs to distinguish between the OS and the CPU. My experience with the G5 is that its floating point performance is between 1.5x and 2x as fast as the equivalent x86. Unfortunately, the fixed point advantages are not there. I use LaTeX a lot and heard that the typesetting

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Rob Sanders
Warren, I'd concur. This application was hugely floating point intensive. Graphics ops were not an issue for us. The app used only low-level X11 calls (no Motif, or Xt calls even), so what graphics there were under OSX had to go through Apple's X11 layer before being seen. Most of

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-26 Thread Derick Centeno
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:37:34 -0800 Warren Nagourney war...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Thanks, Derick. Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former simply doesn't have the software base that I need. I used to

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: I wasn't aware of IBM's announcement.  I guess we are the lucky ones who got these marvelous computers while they could be had.  Too bad others won't have the opportunity to explore and develop varied programming skills

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Derick Centeno
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:55:12 +1100 Robert Spykerman robert.spyker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, may you and all here and elsewhere enjoy the upcoming celebrations and New Year! I haven't had the time to pursue or discover the article or articles which Warren referred to. If I do discover

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-25 Thread Warren Nagourney
Thanks, Derick. Although this is a YDL forum, I am afraid to say that there is no comparison between any linux on PPC and OS X. The former simply doesn't have the software base that I need. I used to think that it would be faster than OS X, but after a few installations of linux on Apple

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Aaron Urbain aaron.urb...@gmail.com wrote: Read the gentoo wiki I would on one hand encourage the OP to try gentoo, as there is a lot to be learnt from doing it that way but on the other I would say that unfortunately for a beginner it may be better off learning

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:09:48 +1100 Robert Spykerman robert.spyker...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: ...snip... Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you meet other PS3 users like yourself, as well as others who program

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Warren Nagourney
I might also add that, due to recent announcements from IBM, the future of the Cell processor is in doubt. In November, IBM announced that it was canceling the next iteration of the Cell, the one with 32 SPE cores. I would therefore hesitate in investing any time in learning Cell

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
Good to hear from you Warren!! It's been a long time!! Glad you liked my analogy. I wasn't aware of IBM's announcement. I guess we are the lucky ones who got these marvelous computers while they could be had. Too bad others won't have the opportunity to explore and develop varied

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Warren Nagourney
Thanks, Derick. I still love the PPC architecture and recently bought an Apple dual core 2.3 GHz G5 for very little money and am finding it to be absolutely as fast as I could ever hope for. I will keep it for the next 3-5 years (assuming I can keep the power supply running) and maybe

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-24 Thread Derick Centeno
You may want to know that you may find decent parts for your system from http://macsales.com/ I think we may have to really keep our PowerPC running for longer than that although I did hear of someone developing a multicore PowerPC laptop a month or so ago. I've got to search for who this fellow

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-23 Thread Robert Spykerman
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: ...snip... Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you meet other PS3 users like yourself, as well as others who program using YDL on various hardware systems.  There's a lot a good people there who can help you

Re: [ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-23 Thread Aaron Urbain
Read the gentoo wiki On Dec 23, 2009 6:09 PM, Robert Spykerman robert.spyker...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Derick Centeno dcent...@ydl.net wrote: ...snip... Be sure to use the YDL Board as a resource so that you meet other PS3 users like yourself, as ... I completely

[ydl-gen] Linux yellow dog manual for dummies

2009-12-21 Thread Celine-Alexander M. Preiss
Hi, Anyone that could recommend what type (title and author) and where to order a suitable book to use to get a beginner a bit educated in Linux (preferable yellow dog), (I have some programmer experience from VB, and Pascal)? I am hoping to get some reading for Christmas, and some fun with