From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2012, 1:59
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Anthony,
It's funny, but paper does not get more valuable with age, unless it is VERY
old: the Magna Carta; The US Declaration of Independence; prints of Albrecht
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 14, 2012 1:48:26 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Kris,
Good point. I hear you can put gas(oline) on ice by adding a preservative;
Mili
Kris,
Good point. I hear you can put gas(oline) on ice by adding a preservative;
Military knows about this and uses it in stock-piled fuel. I forget the
chemical compound... . I think it's generically called a "fuel-stabilizer".
Of course there are different kinds of fuel, and maybe hence d
On 10/14/2012 1:59 PM, Joe wrote:
> The hundred-year-old $20 gold US coin I bought for $400 US about ten
> years ago is now said to be worth over $1700.
Buys the about the same amount of gas, then as now.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you rece
Anthony,
It's funny, but paper does not get more valuable with age, unless it is VERY
old: the Magna Carta; The US Declaration of Independence; prints of Albrecht
Durer etchings, etc. ;-)
The hundred-year-old $20 gold US coin I bought for $400 US about ten years ago
is now said to be worth ov
Merle, and Bill!,
And I know this will ~resonate~ with Bill!...
...I remember Maezumi Roshi of the Zen Center of Los Angeles saying:
"If we are practicing WELL, then even the air of LA will be very TASTY."
Bless his heart. R.I.P.
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> bill city air stinks..
!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012, 8:28
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
USA! USA! USA!
Like any good Buddhist if we are running low on currency we'll create some more
- out of compassion.
...Bill!
--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Antho
what so?..merle
Merle,
Yes, city air is different than mountain air. City air smells like restaurant
food, bread baking, perfume, body odor, garbage and even sometimes urine.
Mountain air smells like flowers, fruit trees, animal feces and sometimes
rotting carcasses.
So what?
...Bill!
Merle,
Yes, city air is different than mountain air. City air smells like restaurant
food, bread baking, perfume, body odor, garbage and even sometimes urine.
Mountain air smells like flowers, fruit trees, animal feces and sometimes
rotting carcasses.
So what?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yah
an air of becoming...merle
Well, an air of SOMETHING. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> so zen... the mountain air?..merle
bill city air stinks..merle
Merle,
The mountain air. The valley air. The city air.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
> Â so zen... the mountain air?..merle
>
>
> Â
> Joe,
>
> No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happe
Merle,
The mountain air. The valley air. The city air.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
> Â so zen... the mountain air?..merle
>
>
> Â
> Joe,
>
> No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd
> rather spend my time DOING them
Well, an air of SOMETHING. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> so zen... the mountain air?..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the
Bill!,
Thank you.
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd
> rather spend my time DOING them.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Tal
so zen... the mountain air?..merle
Joe,
No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd
rather spend my time DOING them.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> Sleepy to take on the minute points.
>
> My key enthusiasm in my r
Joe,
No, I'd rather not spend my time researching WHY or HOW things happen. I'd
rather spend my time DOING them.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> Sleepy to take on the minute points.
>
> My key enthusiasm in my reply to bring in hetu pratyaya, condition
Bill!,
Sleepy to take on the minute points.
My key enthusiasm in my reply to bring in hetu pratyaya, conditioned arising,
alongside the theme of karma which you raised, and to mention the fact that
karma and causes-and-conditions (another way of expressing hetu pratyaya), and
the issues of bot
you're now in excellent company), I'd be interested as to
what you think about the Buddhist idea of cause and
effect?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Bill!
>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>> S
Joe,
You've used it as an a priori assumption in your post below, and yes it is
accepted as such because of empirical observation. Of course empirical
observation is a process of the dualistic, discriminating mind and as such is
illusory. So...if you're making the statement below from that pe
company), I'd be interested as to what you think about the Buddhist
idea of cause and effect?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill!
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 10:13
> Subject: [Zen] Re: I ne
Merle,
Those well-behaved concert-going kids in the "Hey, Joe" video: are they Germans?
What country do they look to you to be in / citizens of?
Can you tell by their 1967 clothes, etc.?
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> Joe..Ah so so hoopla ..merle
Cu
Hi, Bill,
The Sunlight we see has had a very, long, hard history/life.
It started in a central zone of the Sun as gamma ray photons after fusion of H
to He (I won't bother about the stoichiometry here).
Then, on a random walk taking hundreds of thousands of years (!), the photons
migrate out t
I can't resist asking what is sunlight made of then if not sunlight?
B
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 7:47:35 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Joe..Ah so so hoopla ..merle
Merle,
Ah, so?
What's it all about, Alfie? Is it just for the moment we live? What's it all
about, when you sort it out, Alfie? Are we meant to take more than we give?
Or, are we meant to be kind? And if only fools are kind, Alfie, then I guess
it's wis
Bill!,
I think Multiplication-of-the-Loaves was done only ONCE without causing
Inflation.
Should never try it again with currency. ;-)
--Joe / Bodhisattva of Compaction: good at stuffing cash in my mattress
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Like any good Buddhist if we are running low on currency we'll c
Bill!,
Well, now, it's not _a priori_, it is an empirical observation.
A Flower is not made of a Flower. It is made of water, sunlight, earth
minerals, carbon dioxide, etc., all NON-flower elements.
Pancakes are made of flour: a non-PANCAKE element!
Now, for fun I'll change the subject, a lit
> be jumped over, at least the horse they ride has to be reined in. Bernanke is
> out of his wit.
> Â
> Anthony
>
>
>
> From: mike brown
> To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012, 6:37
>
r heart singâ¦and do it!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill!
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 4:42:44 AM
> Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>
> Â
> Mike,
>
> Well for starters during my koan study the most troublesome koan
Sunday, 14 October 2012, 6:37
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Anthony,
I wasn't denying 'scientific' cause and effect at all! What I'm saying, and
which mirrors Hume, is that there is no causative link to be found in a
sequance of events. Was it it the
Joe,
Thanks for your explanation of 'conditioned-arising'. In it you start with the
a base assumption that "Because things always consist of material, or energy,
that came together to form or cause them, they are not themselves, but consist
instead of these other disparate things,...". Why do
Mike,
Hume also had quite a problem with Induction; you know, the matter of claiming,
essentially, that, in some respects the future will be the same as the past.
For example, the sun has "risen" every day, so far as we know: will it rise
tomorrow? Induction is the force that "impels" us to sa
which
makes cause and effect nothing other that a useful convention. Nothing to do
with denying it.
Mike
From: Anthony Wu
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 22:23
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advic
thony
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 18:14
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
I didn't miss it but you didn't finish your statement so I wasn't sure...Bill!
--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.co
Kris,
Mixing sand and salt:
The conflation, no one's fault.
Grains are grains; Brains, brains.
Still carrying on under Jim's thread we are, I see. Nice.
Born on Jersey shore
Drowned once, died, and back to life.
Still go back for more.
--J.
> Kristopher Grey wrote:
>
> A man of the desert m
Kris,
A fond wish at leave
Is not the claim of a lack;
Ya got that, dear Jack?
Carry on, Montesquieu!
--Joe
> Kristopher Grey wrote:
>
> Assuming others can be missing this, is how this gets missed.
>
> A man of the desert may assume a man of the sea needs his advice about
> water, but a ma
Dear Joe,
Assuming others can be missing this, is how this gets missed.
A man of the desert may assume a man of the sea needs his advice about
water, but a mariner know the sea is no less a desert.
KG
On 10/12/2012 4:43 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris,
Ordinary mind is no-mind. That's how ordinary i
What ye sow, that ye shall also reap.
B
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 4:42:44 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
Well for starters during my
Bill!,
There's the Buddhist theme of "conditioned-arising".
Hetu-pratyaya.
I believe that's our same "cause-and-effect". A little the same.
This is a theme that helps in the (intellectual or logical) understanding of
selflessness. Because things always consist of material, or energy, that ca
> effect can be observed by each and every one of us, until... ; )
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill!
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 10:42
> Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>
:42
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
Well for starters during my koan study the most troublesome koan for me was
HYAKUJO'S FOX. After my initial breakthrough koan I seemed to race through the
next 10 or so until I got to that one. I finally passed it but it took me
gt; interested as to what you think about the Buddhist idea of cause and effect?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ________
> From: Bill!
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 10:13
> Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>
>
> Â
> M
a of cause and effect?
Mike
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 10:13
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
Thanks for the tip but I'm very aware of this.
I've got Hume's COMPLETE WORKS which inclu
ate, anger etc don't arise then suffering doesn't arise. Compared to a
> scientific observation, this truth of Buddhist cause and effect can be
> observed by each and every one of us, until... ; )
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ____
> From: B
g doesn't arise. Compared to a scientific
observation, this truth of Buddhist cause and effect can be observed by each
and every one of us, until... ; )
Mike
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012, 4:15
Subject: [Zen] Re: I
Bill!,
That fills the bill, Bill!(!).
And my bill is as wide and capacious as a Pelican's. ;-)
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Then I'll add to my sparse defintion:
>
> Science is a religion whose method is based on a faith in the concept of
> cause-and-effect and whose 'corpus' is bas
Joe,
Then I'll add to my sparse defintion:
Science is a religion whose method is based on a faith in the concept of
cause-and-effect and whose 'corpus' is based on the dualistic illusion of
subject/object.
Is that better?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
and now has been conclusively falsified
> by
> decoherence though some still don't understand that..."Â pretty much saying
> that
> we have to take this as fact or we're dumb. For the record I'm dumb I don't
> know what decoherence is or anything about Deutsc
Joe,
I actually like this post a lot.
Yes, we should take religious teaching like poetry - like fingers pointing to
the moon. That is also the way I think of science, and logic.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> Again, a problem only arises when people t
yea bill!..tis true!..merle
Edgar,
I know I'm beating a dead horse but...
Science is just yet another faith-based explanation of reality. Some religions
have faith in God or gods, some in Nature and some in logic.
Some explanations are suited for some purposes and some for others.
An exam
Edgar,
I know I'm beating a dead horse but...
Science is just yet another faith-based explanation of reality. Some religions
have faith in God or gods, some in Nature and some in logic.
Some explanations are suited for some purposes and some for others.
An example: If you want to send a rock
Bill!,
Some of the body of Science -- the corpus, not the Method -- is pure
categorization, based on stringent and accumulated, vetted, observation.
Botany, for example. And some basics of Astronomy. Geology.
What's formed and what accumulates are lists of entities and their properties,
and
Edgar,
Science is a religion based on faith in the concept of cause-and-effect.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Loving everyone and the planet and all its creatures and studying science
> rather than religion...
>
> Edgar
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:35 PM,
Bill,
You got it right Jim, I mean Bill.
You see why I did not want to synopsise the thread for you!
Is the thread "over" yet?
You've created a fantastically entertaining document, with your post.
Precious! A keeper! Send immediately to Printer, and to HD!
Criminy, I admire your researcher
ng children and then a statement about science and the use of
Models. This is where I began to get some idea that maybe there was some sense
to be made of all of this.
We were brought back to Zen, religion and raising children and then my too late
post on Whitehead.
and we're done.
B
Merle,
Ah, so?
What's it all about, Alfie? Is it just for the moment we live? What's it all
about, when you sort it out, Alfie? Are we meant to take more than we give?
Or, are we meant to be kind? And if only fools are kind, Alfie, then I guess
it's wise to be cruel. And if life belongs
Bill,
Roger that.
For those who understand Action-and-Re-Action in Physics/Mechanics, it is funny
to us when people (used to) ask how a rocket could possibly work in a vacuum,
"When there is nothing to push against."
They were thinking of propeller-planes, and didn't yet have a feeling for
ac
Bill,
Just go back in the thread if you'll take time, Bill; follow the gist and
development. I won't re-trace it, though I appreciate that sometimes we pop in
and out of reading the Group's doings. This Group moves so fast, really,
really fast. I, too, am in the Dust.
To help you, my first
, Richard Alpert
etc...
B
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 5:15:18 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Bill,
It takes a certain maturity / level of maturity
dress to the idea that
I am getting regarding the models and concept ideas that you've presented.
B
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 4:41:33 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need so
Bill,
It takes a certain maturity / level of maturity, to turn to practice of ANY
kind.
Being raised in a tradition should in no way prevent anyone from awakening.
I am a case in point, and not a counter-example.
SO???
--Joe
> William Rintala wrote:
>
> In response to Edgar's statement that
i live on a mountain top!..merle
KG,
Come down from your mountain Mohammed! You're getting altitude sickness up
there
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>>
>> NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian
i am a religious person..merle
Loving everyone and the planet and all its creatures and studying science
rather than religion...
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>so how the "f" should they be raised edgar?..merle
>
>
>On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen
it's called taking responsibility for ones actions..merle
Merle,
Exactly. Children (any many ignorant adults also) need to be educated in the
consequences of their actions partially via shoulds, woulds and coulds. If one
doesn't understand the causal world one can't function in the worl
Edgar,
No, sorry, pardon my non-specificity / my laziness.
I mean it is the attribution of algorithms that is ...Fiction. Ouch!
There may be more LIGHT under the lamp-post (mechanisms you think you
understand and know how to apply), but that doesn't mean that that's where's
you'll find your (
Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 12, 2012 3:10:40 PM
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Bill,
I hope I am a clog in the big American machine. Not an item of footwear.
Machines are improved when they break.
--Joe
> William Rintala wrote:
>
> They are all cogs in the big American Machine.
Edgar,
Again, a problem only arises when people take the religion's indications
literally. I include the indications of Buddhism, and maybe especially the
indications of Zen.
One must be a participant, a practitioner, to stay out of trouble.
Only readers -- who remain readers -- get into trou
Kris,
Ordinary mind is no-mind. That's how ordinary it is. It is wonderful. Don't
miss it.
Carry on, Montesquieu,
--Joe
> Kristopher Grey wrote:
>
> Zen calls this "Ordinary mind".
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read o
But Joe, all science consists of 'models' in that sense. Models are validated
by confirming with observable data and the power to accurately predict
phenomena. Decoherence stands up to that test, many worlds doesn't..
Edgar
On Oct 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> I won't say th
Joe,
I'm in general agreement with this view. Religious explanations of reality were
in ancient times the best science available.
Problem is that now they have long been falsified by science continued belief
in them amounts to a very dangerous delusion...
Edgar
On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:45 PM,
Bill,
I hope I am a clog in the big American machine. Not an item of footwear.
Machines are improved when they break.
--Joe
> William Rintala wrote:
>
> They are all cogs in the big American Machine.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you rece
Chris,
Yes, you are right. Quackery implies intentional deception. I'll change
quackery to nonsensical. Thanks for the correction
Deutsch, like many physicists is no doubt intelligent, but entirely lacking in
common sense on this point at least.
It was always a dumb theory and now has been
On 10/12/2012 2:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> People have gotten and do get in trouble with religion when they make
> it literal or take it literally and forget that it is metaphor.
> Religionists -- keepers of religion -- have done this too.
>
> Scientists get in trouble this way when they take MODELS lit
Edgar,
I won't say that I am dubious of that. I will say that it is pure Fiction. I
say it confidently, mind.
I think you are taking models as Nature. Nature operates, or seems to. We
don't have a clue about how. There are no algorithms but yours.
I hope there are Al Gore rhythms: is his
Edgar,
Religion is a yoke, and that's what the word means.
It's meant to yoke us to the world, of love, Nature, and creatures.
It's all metaphor, and is meant to be rich, and to open us. It's a Yoga.
It's a series of lenses, developed anciently through to the present form we
call Science. Sc
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:07 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
>
> Chis,
>
> Many worlds is quackery. Decoherence resolves and falsifies all that
> several years ago.
>
Usually I use quackery to describe simple and unambiguously wrong ideas
pushed
s.com
Sent: Thu, October 11, 2012 10:44:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
'Should', 'Would' and 'Could' - The seeds of intention (karma) - the roots of
expectation (suffering).
KG
On 10/11/2012 11:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>so how
Chis,
Many worlds is quackery. Decoherence resolves and falsifies all that several
years ago.
The universe is computational. It continually computes its current state of
existence. Therefore it must have computational algorithms intrinsic as part of
its physical reality. These are the 'physica
Merle,
Exactly. Children (any many ignorant adults also) need to be educated in the
consequences of their actions partially via shoulds, woulds and coulds. If one
doesn't understand the causal world one can't function in the world of forms
and one CANNOT eventually realize Zen...
It in itself
KG,
I use should, would and could from time to time but do NOT suffer from it.
Riddle me that?
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>
> 'Should', 'Would' and 'Could' - The seeds of intention (karma) - the roots of
> expectation (suffering).
>
> KG
>
>
> On 10/11/20
Loving everyone and the planet and all its creatures and studying science
rather than religion...
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
> so how the "f" should they be raised edgar?..merle
>
>
> On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > NO ONE should be raised
KG,
Come down from your mountain Mohammed! You're getting altitude sickness up
there
:-)
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
> On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian or in any other
> > delusion.. That mak
Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection.
>>>>> Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother
>>>>> with/isn't bothered by this.
>>>
On Oct 11, 2012 4:28 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote:
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> You aren't addressing the point I made about infinities.
> Cantor's work applied ONLY to human mathematical systems,
>NOT the actual physical mathematics of the laws of nature...
>> Jim, Cantor proved that there are at least a coun
Nah, that's what they say about Indonesian hell, not Indian...
-Original Message-
From: Anthony Wu
Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:33:40
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice a
well how DO YOU RAISE the young ones?...merle
'Should', 'Would' and 'Could' - The seeds of intention (karma) - the roots of
expectation (suffering).
KG
On 10/11/2012 11:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>so how the "f" should they be raised edgar?..merle
>
>
>On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Ed
'Should', 'Would' and 'Could' - The seeds of intention (karma) - the
roots of expectation (suffering).
KG
On 10/11/2012 11:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
so how the "f" should they be raised edgar?..merle
On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian
so how the "f" should they be raised edgar?..merle
On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian or in any other
> delusion.. That makes it that more difficult to reach realization...
This perceived difficulty - this attachment to form - IS the
Sweet! ;)
(Tasted this before, but the flavor was so so clearly experienced I'd
forgotten the context of the first taste. Thanks for the second helping Joe)
KG
On 10/11/2012 12:52 PM, Joe wrote:
Mike,
A woman called on Gandhi at his home, with her little son in tow.
They were admitted ins
On 10/11/2012 12:16 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian or in any other
> delusion.. That makes it that more difficult to reach realization...
This perceived difficulty - this attachment to form - IS the "delusion".
KG
diers'..
Mike
*From:* Joe
*To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, 11 October 2012, 16:46
*Subject:* [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
I loved, too, the incident in Gandhi's life during the Partiti
Anthony,
He is #1 with MOST of us, too!
--Joe
PS He's alright in my book; I don't care WHAT they all say about him.
> Anthony Wu wrote:
>
> I rushed in line, but only got a second place, because Bill! is No.1.
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I rushed in line, but only got a second place, because Bill! is No.1.
Anthony
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 6:52
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Anthony,
Yes, and as the joke goes: all our
Anthony,
Yes, and as the joke goes: all our friends will be there! ;-)
--Joe
PS I *am* scared by those Hells of Perpetual Dentistry, though.
> Anthony Wu wrote:
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> They say the Indian hell is not a bad place. The nail bed has all the nails
> stolen, and the devil who is supposed to beat yo
From: mike brown
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 23:58
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Joe,
Nice. However, I'm glad Gandhi's not here to instruct me to raise any Muslim
Jihadists.. Or IRA
Mike,
A woman called on Gandhi at his home, with her little son in tow.
They were admitted inside, met the Mahatma, and were invited to sit on the
floor with him.
The woman said:
"Mahatma, please tell my son to stop eating sugar. He is always eating sugar!
We cannot afford it. Please tell
Edgar,
Yeah, but it's a HELL of a good Yoga for the murderer.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
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> NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian or in any other delusion..
> That makes it that more difficult to reach realization...
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Don't know that one, but now I'm intrigued..
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 17:22
Subject: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
Mike,
Roger that, on both points, my friend.
Stay safe.
Still impr
Mike,
Roger that, on both points, my friend.
Stay safe.
Still impressed here with that old skinny be-spectacled Mahatma.
Do you know the story regarding him and eating sugar?
--Joe
> mike brown wrote:
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> Joe,
>
> Nice. However, I'm glad Gandhi's not here to instruct me to raise any Muslim
Joe,
NO ONE should be raised as a muslim, Christian or in any other delusion.. That
makes it that more difficult to reach realization...
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Joe wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I loved, too, the incident in Gandhi's life during the Partition when a Hindu
> man came up to
Bill!,
Long live Jim!
And may he experience The-Great-Death-Followed-By-A-Resurrection, ASAP.
We, too,
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
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> Edgar,
>
> Ease up on the math lesson. Jim isn't with us anymore...Bill!
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