Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 May 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: To be comfortable (I don't ask for know for a certainty; I'm not sure that exists outside of faith), I want a claim by the manufacturer and multiple outside tests in significant journals -- which could be the blog of somebody I trusted, as well as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Brandon High wrote: My understanding is that the controller contains enough cache to buffer enough data to write a complete erase block size, eliminating the need to read / erase / write that a partial block write entails. It's reported to do a copy-on-write, so it doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Don wrote: You know- it would probably be sufficient to provide the SSD with _just_ a big capacitor bank. If the host lost power it would stop writing and if the SSD still had power it would probably use the idle time to flush it's buffers. Then there would be world

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Miika Vesti
If you do not care about this NFS problem (or the others) then maybe you can just disable the ZIL. It is a matter of working through step 1. Working through STEP 1 might be ``doesn't affect us. Disable ZIL.'' Or it might be ``get slog with supercap''. STEP 1 will never be ``plug in OCZ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Attila Mravik
AFAIK OCZ Vertex 2 does not use volatile DRAM cache but non-volatile NAND grid. Whether it respects or ignores the cache flush seems irrelevant. There has been previous discussion about this: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.zfs/35702 I'm pretty sure that all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Kyle McDonald
SNIP a whole lot of ZIL/SLOG discussion Hi guys. yep I know about the ZIL, and SSD Slogs. While setting Nextenta up it offered to disable the ZIL entirely. For now I left it on. In the end (hopefully for only specifc filesystems - once that feature is released.) I'll end up disabling the ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Miika Vesti wrote: AFAIK OCZ Vertex 2 does not use volatile DRAM cache but non-volatile NAND grid. Whether it respects or ignores the cache flush seems irrelevant. There has been previous discussion about this:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, May 21, 2010 10:19, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010, Miika Vesti wrote: AFAIK OCZ Vertex 2 does not use volatile DRAM cache but non-volatile NAND grid. Whether it respects or ignores the cache flush seems irrelevant. There has been previous discussion about this:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Miika Vesti
This is intresting. I thought all Vertex 2 SSDs are good choices for ZIL but this does not seem to be the case. According to http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1208/1/ Vertex 2 LE, Vertex 2 Pro and Vertex 2 EX are SF-1500 based but Vertex 2 (without any suffix) is SF-1200 based. Here is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Miika Vesti miika.ve...@trivore.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that all SandForce-based SSDs don't use DRAM as their cache, but take a hunk of flash to use as scratch space instead. Which means that they'll be OK for ZIL use. I've read conflicting reports that the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Miles Nordin
dd == David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net writes: dd Just how DOES one know something for a certainty, anyway? science. Do a test like Lutz did on X25M G2. see list archives 2010-01-10. pgpeiR4DYODbj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread Don
Now, if someone would make a Battery FOB, that gives broken SSD 60 seconds of power, then we could use the consumer SSD's in servers again with real value instead of CYA value. You know- it would probably be sufficient to provide the SSD with _just_ a big capacitor bank. If the host lost

[zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread Kyle McDonald
Hi all, I recently installed Nexenta Community 3.0.2 on one of my servers: IBM eSeries X346 2.8Ghz Xeon 12GB DDR2 RAM 1 builtin BGE interface for management 4 port Intel GigE card aggregated for Data IBM ServRAID 7k with 256MB BB Cache with (isp driver) 6 RAID0 single drive LUNS (so I can use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread Erast
Hi Kyle, very likely that you hit driver bug in isp. After the reboot, take a look on /var/adm/messages file - anything related might shed some light. I wouldn't suspect Intel GigE card - fairly good one and driver is very stable. Also, some upgrades posted, make sure the kernel displays

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread Travis Tabbal
Disable ZIL and test again. NFS does a lot of sync writes and kills performance. Disabling ZIL (or using the synchronicity option if a build with that ever comes out) will prevent that behavior, and should get your NFS performance close to local. It's up to you if you want to leave it that way.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Travis Tabbal tra...@tabbal.net skrev: Disable ZIL and test again. NFS does a lot of sync writes and kills performance. Disabling ZIL (or using the synchronicity option if a build with that ever comes out) will prevent that behavior, and should get your NFS performance close to local.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread David Magda
On Thu, May 20, 2010 13:58, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: - Travis Tabbal tra...@tabbal.net skrev: Disable ZIL and test again. NFS does a lot of sync writes and kills performance. Disabling ZIL (or using the synchronicity option if a build with that ever comes out) will prevent that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-20 Thread Miles Nordin
rsk == Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net writes: dm == David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca writes: tt == Travis Tabbal tra...@tabbal.net writes: rsk Disabling ZIL is, according to ZFS best practice, NOT rsk recommended. dm As mentioned, you do NOT want to run with this in