Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 4 avr. 07 à 10:01, Paul Boven a écrit : Hi everyone, Swap would probably have to go on a zvol - would that be best placed on the n-way mirror, or on the raidz? From the book of Richard Elling, Shouldn't matter. The 'existence' of a swap device is sometimes required. If the devic

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Now, given proper I/O concurrency (like recently improved NCQ in our drivers) or SCSI CTQ, I don't not expect the write caches to provide much performance gains, if any, over the situation with write caches off. Write caches can be extremelly effective when dealing with drives that do not

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 5 avr. 07 à 08:28, Robert Milkowski a écrit : Hello Matthew, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:08:25 AM, you wrote: MA> Lori Alt wrote: Can write-cache not be turned on manually as the user is sure that it is only ZFS that is using the entire disk? yes it can be turned on. But I don't know

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, >>> - RAID-Z is _very_ slow when one disk is broken. >> Do you have data on this? The reconstruction should be relatively cheap >> especially when compared with the initial disk access. > > Also, what is your definition of "broken"? Does this mean the device > appears as FAULTED in the pool

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Adam, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 11:41:58 PM, you wrote: AL> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:04:06PM +0200, Robert Milkowski wrote: >> If I stop all activity to x4500 with a pool made of several raidz2 and >> then I issue spare attach I get really poor performance (1-2MB/s) on a >> pool with lot

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Matthew, Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:08:25 AM, you wrote: MA> Lori Alt wrote: >> >>> Can write-cache not be turned on manually as the user is sure that it is >>> only ZFS that is using the entire disk? >>> >>> >>> yes it can be turned on. But I don't know if ZFS would then know about it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Lori Alt wrote: Can write-cache not be turned on manually as the user is sure that it is only ZFS that is using the entire disk? yes it can be turned on. But I don't know if ZFS would then know about it. I'd still feel more comfortably with it being turned off unless ZFS itself does it.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:04:06PM +0200, Robert Milkowski wrote: > If I stop all activity to x4500 with a pool made of several raidz2 and > then I issue spare attach I get really poor performance (1-2MB/s) on a > pool with lot of relatively small files. Does that mean the spare is resilvering whe

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Adam, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 7:08:07 PM, you wrote: AL> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:34:13PM +0200, Constantin Gonzalez wrote: >> - RAID-Z is _very_ slow when one disk is broken. AL> Do you have data on this? The reconstruction should be relatively cheap AL> especially when compared with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Lori Alt
Can write-cache not be turned on manually as the user is sure that it is only ZFS that is using the entire disk? yes it can be turned on. But I don't know if ZFS would then know about it. I'd still feel more comfortably with it being turned off unless ZFS itself does it. But maybe someone

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:08:07AM -0700, Adam Leventhal wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:34:13PM +0200, Constantin Gonzalez wrote: > > - RAID-Z is _very_ slow when one disk is broken. > > Do you have data on this? The reconstruction should be relatively cheap > especially when compared with th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:08:07AM -0700, Adam Leventhal wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:34:13PM +0200, Constantin Gonzalez wrote: > > - RAID-Z is _very_ slow when one disk is broken. > > Do you have data on this? The reconstruction should be relatively cheap > especially when compared with th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:34:13PM +0200, Constantin Gonzalez wrote: > - RAID-Z is _very_ slow when one disk is broken. Do you have data on this? The reconstruction should be relatively cheap especially when compared with the initial disk access. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Developme

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Constantin, Wednesday, April 4, 2007, 3:34:13 PM, you wrote: CG> - RAID-Z is slow when writing, you basically get only one disk's bandwidth. CG> (Yes, with variable block sizes this might be slightly better...) No, it's not. It's actually very fast for writing, in many cases it would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, Manoj Joseph wrote: > Can write-cache not be turned on manually as the user is sure that it is > only ZFS that is using the entire disk? yes it can be turned on. But I don't know if ZFS would then know about it. I'd still feel more comfortably with it being turned off unless ZFS itself does

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Manoj Joseph
Constantin Gonzalez wrote: Do I still have the advantages of having the whole disk 'owned' by zfs, even though it's split into two parts? I'm pretty sure that this is not the case: - ZFS has no guarantee that someone will do something else with that other partition, so it can't assume the r

Re: [zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, > Now that zfsboot is becoming available, I'm wondering how to put it to > use. Imagine a system with 4 identical disks. Of course I'd like to use you lucky one :). > raidz, but zfsboot doesn't do raidz. What if I were to partition the > drives, such that I have 4 small partitions that make

[zfs-discuss] Setting up for zfsboot

2007-04-04 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, Now that zfsboot is becoming available, I'm wondering how to put it to use. Imagine a system with 4 identical disks. Of course I'd like to use raidz, but zfsboot doesn't do raidz. What if I were to partition the drives, such that I have 4 small partitions that make up a zfsboot partit