Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-13 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 13, 2009, at 1:37 AM, James Hess wrote: The real benefit of the of using a separate zvol for each vm is the instantaneous cloning of a machine, and the clone will take almost no additional space initially. In our case we build a You don't have to use ZVOL devices to do that. As menti

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-12 Thread Tristan Ball
om: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of James Hess Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 3:38 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! > The real benefit of the of using a > separate zvol for ea

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-08-12 Thread James Hess
> The real benefit of the of using a > separate zvol for each vm is the instantaneous > cloning of a machine, and the clone will take almost > no additional space initially. In our case we build a You don't have to use ZVOL devices to do that. As mentioned by others... > zfs create my_pool/group1

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-02 Thread Daniel J. Priem
om: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Brent Jones > Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2009 12:58 PM > To: HUGE | David Stahl > Cc: Steve Madden; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-02 Thread Tristan Ball
scuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:29 PM, HUGE | David Stahl wrote: > The real benefit of the of using a separate zvol for each vm is the > instantaneous cloning of a machine, and the clone will take almost no > additional s

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-02 Thread Miles Nordin
> "rw" == Ross Walker writes: rw> you can create a LAG which does redundancy and load balancing. be careful---these aggregators are all hash-based, so the question is, of what is the hash taken? The widest scale on which the hash can be taken is L4 (TCP source/dest port numbers) because

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-02 Thread Ross Walker
@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! Why the use of zvols, why not just; zfs create my_pool/group1 zfs create my_pool/group1/vm1 zfs create my_pool/group1/vm2 and export my_pool/group1 If you don't want the people in group1 to see vm2 anymore just zfs rename it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-01 Thread Brent Jones
> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! > > Why the use of zvols, why not just; > > zfs create my_pool/group1 > zfs create my_pool/group1/vm1 > zfs create my_pool/group1/vm2 > > and export my_pool/group1 > > If you don't want the people in group1

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-01 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
esx machine is kind of a bummer. -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org on behalf of Steve Madden Sent: Wed 7/1/2009 8:46 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! Why the use of zvols, why not just; zfs create

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-07-01 Thread Steve Madden
Why the use of zvols, why not just; zfs create my_pool/group1 zfs create my_pool/group1/vm1 zfs create my_pool/group1/vm2 and export my_pool/group1 If you don't want the people in group1 to see vm2 anymore just zfs rename it to a different group. I'll admit I am coming into this green - but i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-19 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
I would think you would run into the same problem I have. Where you can't view child zvols from a parent zvol nfs share. > From: Scott Meilicke > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:29:29 PDT > To: > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! > > So how are folks getti

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Meilicke
So how are folks getting around the NFS speed hit? Using SSD or battery backed RAM ZILs? Regarding limited NFS mounts, underneath a single NFS mount, would it work to: * Create a new VM * Remove the VM from inventory * Create a new ZFS file system underneath the original * Copy the VM to that fi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-19 Thread Moore, Joe
Scott Meilicke wrote: > Obviously iSCSI and NFS are quite different at the storage level, and I > actually like NFS for the flexibility over iSCSI (quotas, reservations, > etc.) Another key difference between them is that with iSCSI, the VMFS filesystem (built on the zvol presented as a block dev

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread David Magda
On Jun 16, 2009, at 17:47, Scott Meilicke wrote: I think (don't quote me) that ESX can only mount 64 iSCSI targets, so you aren't much better off. But, COMSTAR (2009.06) exports a single iSCSI target with multiple LUNs, so that gets around the limitation. I could be all wet on this one, how

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
> From: Scott Meilicke > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:47:26 PDT > To: > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my! > > My testing with 2008.11 iSCSI vs NFS was that iSCSI was about 2x faster. I > used a 3 stripe 5 disk raidz (15 1.5TB sata disks). I just used the defau

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread Scott Meilicke
My testing with 2008.11 iSCSI vs NFS was that iSCSI was about 2x faster. I used a 3 stripe 5 disk raidz (15 1.5TB sata disks). I just used the default zil, no SSD or similar to make NFS faster. I think (don't quote me) that ESX can only mount 64 iSCSI targets, so you aren't much better off. But

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread Ryan Arneson
HUGE | David Stahl wrote: That is a very interesting idea Ryan. Not as ideal as I hoped, but does open up a way of maximizing my amount of vm guests. Thanks for that suggestion. Also if I added another subnet and another vmkernel would I be allowed another 32 nfs mounts? So is it 32 nfs mounts p

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
mounts period? -- HUGE David Stahl Systems Administrator 718 233 9164 / F 718 625 5157 www.hugeinc.com <http://www.hugeinc.com> > From: Ryan Arneson > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:14:31 -0600 > To: HUGE | David Stahl > Cc: > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread Daniel Carosone
Try iSCSI? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread Ryan Arneson
HUGE | David Stahl wrote: I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem, and if so, what solutions they use to get around it. We are using Vmware Esxi servers with an Opensolaris NFS backend. This allows us to leverage all the awesomeness of ZFS, including the snapshots and clones. The

[zfs-discuss] ZFS, ESX ,and NFS. oh my!

2009-06-16 Thread HUGE | David Stahl
I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem, and if so, what solutions they use to get around it. We are using Vmware Esxi servers with an Opensolaris NFS backend. This allows us to leverage all the awesomeness of ZFS, including the snapshots and clones. The best feature of this is we ca