--- In [email protected], Stefan Tilkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 17:51 -0500, Steve Vinoski wrote: > > > > Its a bit surprising how such a simple architectural pattern > > > > requires so > > > > much of explanation eh? ;-) > > > > > > Umm, remind me again how many pages of WS-* specs are there? > > > > A lot- because WS-* has standardized a lot more stuff that REST has. > > However, my point was that even the teeny bit that REST has > > standardized > > is sooooo poorly understood as a platform for application integration. > > > > Don't believe that? Go read the thread on a RESTful lightbulb on this > > list and see how much it took to get some degree of consensus. And of > > course the current ROA/SOA thread. > > > It's poorly understood, at least by many. So what? In contrast to WS- > *, it is radically different from CORBA or DCOM or RPC. > > Neither is a silver bullet. I don't know of any WS-* folks who > > seriously > > think that WS-* is a silver bullet. Its *amazing* to me how many REST > > people (especially on this list) seem to really believe that REST > > is the > > silver bullet and that it has been a silver bullet for 15 years and > > people just have not known about it. Wow, it must be really comfy in > > that world .. are there even 70 virgins that come with getting it? ;-) > > > I find it amazing that most criticism of REST comes from people who > *don't* understand REST, while criticism of WS-* comes more often > than not comes from people who *do* understand WS-* (and sometimes > even have been involved in its standardization). > > Many former WSDL/SOAP/WS-* proponents have discovered REST at some > point in time, and "switched" to believing this to be a better > approach. I'm not aware of a single instance of the inverse > happening ...
Yes, but recent arguments about REST and WS give the impression of having generated more confusion and conversions. I suspect that what the RESTafarian movement needs is more Structure. How about founding a REST Foundation sponsored by rich techno-vendors like IBM, ZapThink, Microsoft, Oracle etc.? You would need a distant emperor-like distant figure to worship (Vladimir Putin, Gordon Brown, Ségolène Royal?), an Articulate Muse (Pete Doherty, Eminem, Shakira?) and a Magical Weed (I am ignorant of these matters - ask a Large Consultancy)...... Seriously, the REST movement does need to organise itself if it is going to get its message across and have the impact that you think it deserves. Gervas > > Stefan > -- > Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/ > > > > > Sanjiva. > > -- > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http:// > > www.opensource.lk/ > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ > > Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensource.org/ > > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ > > > > > > >
