Ah, but, Ronald, you sell something far more valuable as analysts - advice! So, don't you fancy sponsoring such a REST Foundation?
Gervas --- In [email protected], Ron Schmelzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Huh? ZapThink isn't a techno-vendor. Since when did we sell software? Or > even Web Services? > > Ron > > Gervas Douglas wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, Stefan Tilkov > > <stefan.tilkov@> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 9, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 17:51 -0500, Steve Vinoski wrote: > > > > > > Its a bit surprising how such a simple architectural pattern > > > > > > requires so > > > > > > much of explanation eh? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Umm, remind me again how many pages of WS-* specs are there? > > > > > > > > A lot- because WS-* has standardized a lot more stuff that REST has. > > > > However, my point was that even the teeny bit that REST has > > > > standardized > > > > is sooooo poorly understood as a platform for application integration. > > > > > > > > Don't believe that? Go read the thread on a RESTful lightbulb on this > > > > list and see how much it took to get some degree of consensus. And of > > > > course the current ROA/SOA thread. > > > > > > > It's poorly understood, at least by many. So what? In contrast to WS- > > > *, it is radically different from CORBA or DCOM or RPC. > > > > Neither is a silver bullet. I don't know of any WS-* folks who > > > > seriously > > > > think that WS-* is a silver bullet. Its *amazing* to me how many REST > > > > people (especially on this list) seem to really believe that REST > > > > is the > > > > silver bullet and that it has been a silver bullet for 15 years and > > > > people just have not known about it. Wow, it must be really comfy in > > > > that world .. are there even 70 virgins that come with getting it? ;-) > > > > > > > I find it amazing that most criticism of REST comes from people who > > > *don't* understand REST, while criticism of WS-* comes more often > > > than not comes from people who *do* understand WS-* (and sometimes > > > even have been involved in its standardization). > > > > > > Many former WSDL/SOAP/WS-* proponents have discovered REST at some > > > point in time, and "switched" to believing this to be a better > > > approach. I'm not aware of a single instance of the inverse > > > happening ... > > > > Yes, but recent arguments about REST and WS give the impression of > > having generated more confusion and conversions. > > > > I suspect that what the RESTafarian movement needs is more Structure. > > How about founding a REST Foundation sponsored by rich techno-vendors > > like IBM, ZapThink, Microsoft, Oracle etc.? You would need a distant > > emperor-like distant figure to worship (Vladimir Putin, Gordon Brown, > > Ségolène Royal?), an Articulate Muse (Pete Doherty, Eminem, Shakira?) > > and a Magical Weed (I am ignorant of these matters - ask a Large > > Consultancy)...... > > > > Seriously, the REST movement does need to organise itself if it is > > going to get its message across and have the impact that you think it > > deserves. > > > > Gervas > > > > > > > > Stefan > > > -- > > > Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/ > > <http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva. > > > > -- > > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > > > > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http:// > > > > www.opensource.lk/ > > > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ > > <http://www.wso2.com/> > > > > Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensource.org/ > > <http://www.opensource.org/> > > > > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > > <http://www.apache.org/> > > > > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; > > http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ <http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1912 (20061209) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > -- > _____________________________________________________________ > Ronald Schmelzer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Senior Analyst > ZapThink LLC > Direct: 781-577-2779 / Main: 781-207-0203 >
