Huh? ZapThink isn't a techno-vendor. Since when did we sell software? Or
even Web Services?
Ron
Gervas Douglas wrote:
--- In [email protected]
<mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, Stefan Tilkov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 9, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 17:51 -0500, Steve Vinoski wrote:
> > > > Its a bit surprising how such a simple architectural pattern
> > > > requires so
> > > > much of explanation eh? ;-)
> > >
> > > Umm, remind me again how many pages of WS-* specs are there?
> >
> > A lot- because WS-* has standardized a lot more stuff that REST has.
> > However, my point was that even the teeny bit that REST has
> > standardized
> > is sooooo poorly understood as a platform for application integration.
> >
> > Don't believe that? Go read the thread on a RESTful lightbulb on this
> > list and see how much it took to get some degree of consensus. And of
> > course the current ROA/SOA thread.
> >
> It's poorly understood, at least by many. So what? In contrast to WS-
> *, it is radically different from CORBA or DCOM or RPC.
> > Neither is a silver bullet. I don't know of any WS-* folks who
> > seriously
> > think that WS-* is a silver bullet. Its *amazing* to me how many REST
> > people (especially on this list) seem to really believe that REST
> > is the
> > silver bullet and that it has been a silver bullet for 15 years and
> > people just have not known about it. Wow, it must be really comfy in
> > that world .. are there even 70 virgins that come with getting it? ;-)
> >
> I find it amazing that most criticism of REST comes from people who
> *don't* understand REST, while criticism of WS-* comes more often
> than not comes from people who *do* understand WS-* (and sometimes
> even have been involved in its standardization).
>
> Many former WSDL/SOAP/WS-* proponents have discovered REST at some
> point in time, and "switched" to believing this to be a better
> approach. I'm not aware of a single instance of the inverse
> happening ...
Yes, but recent arguments about REST and WS give the impression of
having generated more confusion and conversions.
I suspect that what the RESTafarian movement needs is more Structure.
How about founding a REST Foundation sponsored by rich techno-vendors
like IBM, ZapThink, Microsoft, Oracle etc.? You would need a distant
emperor-like distant figure to worship (Vladimir Putin, Gordon Brown,
Ségolène Royal?), an Articulate Muse (Pete Doherty, Eminem, Shakira?)
and a Magical Weed (I am ignorant of these matters - ask a Large
Consultancy)......
Seriously, the REST movement does need to organise itself if it is
going to get its message across and have the impact that you think it
deserves.
Gervas
>
> Stefan
> --
> Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/
<http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/>
>
>
>
> > Sanjiva.
> > --
> > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://
> > www.opensource.lk/
> > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
<http://www.wso2.com/>
> > Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensource.org/
<http://www.opensource.org/>
> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
<http://www.apache.org/>
> > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ <http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/>
> >
> >
> >
>
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