We're just pundits ;) But sure, if the market demands REST, then why
not? Right now, the market seems to be favoring Web Services. This is
just an observation. It's not a statement of what's better or worse,
just an indication of the uphill battle that REST will face in getting
widespread adoption.
Sometimes the market doesn't prefer what's best -- it just prefers
what's easier to digest.
Ron
Gervas Douglas wrote:
Ah, but, Ronald, you sell something far more valuable as analysts -
advice! So, don't you fancy sponsoring such a REST Foundation?
Gervas
--- In [email protected]
<mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, Ron Schmelzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Huh? ZapThink isn't a techno-vendor. Since when did we sell
software? Or
> even Web Services?
>
> Ron
>
> Gervas Douglas wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected]
<mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com>, Stefan
Tilkov
> > <stefan.tilkov@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 9, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 17:51 -0500, Steve Vinoski wrote:
> > > > > > Its a bit surprising how such a simple architectural pattern
> > > > > > requires so
> > > > > > much of explanation eh? ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Umm, remind me again how many pages of WS-* specs are there?
> > > >
> > > > A lot- because WS-* has standardized a lot more stuff that
REST has.
> > > > However, my point was that even the teeny bit that REST has
> > > > standardized
> > > > is sooooo poorly understood as a platform for application
integration.
> > > >
> > > > Don't believe that? Go read the thread on a RESTful lightbulb
on this
> > > > list and see how much it took to get some degree of consensus.
And of
> > > > course the current ROA/SOA thread.
> > > >
> > > It's poorly understood, at least by many. So what? In contrast
to WS-
> > > *, it is radically different from CORBA or DCOM or RPC.
> > > > Neither is a silver bullet. I don't know of any WS-* folks who
> > > > seriously
> > > > think that WS-* is a silver bullet. Its *amazing* to me how
many REST
> > > > people (especially on this list) seem to really believe that REST
> > > > is the
> > > > silver bullet and that it has been a silver bullet for 15
years and
> > > > people just have not known about it. Wow, it must be really
comfy in
> > > > that world .. are there even 70 virgins that come with getting
it? ;-)
> > > >
> > > I find it amazing that most criticism of REST comes from people who
> > > *don't* understand REST, while criticism of WS-* comes more often
> > > than not comes from people who *do* understand WS-* (and sometimes
> > > even have been involved in its standardization).
> > >
> > > Many former WSDL/SOAP/WS-* proponents have discovered REST at some
> > > point in time, and "switched" to believing this to be a better
> > > approach. I'm not aware of a single instance of the inverse
> > > happening ...
> >
> > Yes, but recent arguments about REST and WS give the impression of
> > having generated more confusion and conversions.
> >
> > I suspect that what the RESTafarian movement needs is more Structure.
> > How about founding a REST Foundation sponsored by rich techno-vendors
> > like IBM, ZapThink, Microsoft, Oracle etc.? You would need a distant
> > emperor-like distant figure to worship (Vladimir Putin, Gordon Brown,
> > Ségolène Royal?), an Articulate Muse (Pete Doherty, Eminem, Shakira?)
> > and a Magical Weed (I am ignorant of these matters - ask a Large
> > Consultancy)......
> >
> > Seriously, the REST movement does need to organise itself if it is
> > going to get its message across and have the impact that you think it
> > deserves.
> >
> > Gervas
> >
> > >
> > > Stefan
> > > --
> > > Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/
<http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/>
> > <http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/ <http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sanjiva.
> > > > --
> > > > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
> > > > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://
> > > > www.opensource.lk/
> > > > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
<http://www.wso2.com/>
> > <http://www.wso2.com/ <http://www.wso2.com/>>
> > > > Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensource.org/
<http://www.opensource.org/>
> > <http://www.opensource.org/ <http://www.opensource.org/>>
> > > > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
<http://www.apache.org/>
> > <http://www.apache.org/ <http://www.apache.org/>>
> > > > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa;
> > http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ <http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/>
<http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ <http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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