Thanks We are aware of http://www.patentsincommerce.com/PatentWizard.htm We have provided something similar titled "How to obtain a patent": follow the hyperlinks at: http://www.1place.com.au/expert/expert_wizard.php?area_id=12
Out of interest: 1) Would you use a tool such as Patent Wizard to draft your patent? 2) Would you then use the services of an attorney to review your draft before filing? The drawbacks with such tools, by analogy, is like a home builder building their first house: 1) Some homebuilders do it very well, whilst others build disasters; 2) It may also take more time than using an Attorney, but that is always the issue with outsourcing or doing it inhouse; 3) There is also risk involved that if you do not lay the foundations properly then it does not matter what subsequently happens, the house will need to be rebuilt. With patents you do not get a second opportunity to file for the same invention of the first patent filing becomes open to public inspection. On the up side: If a Patent Wizard tool enables startups to protect their invention at little cost then startups should use such tools - Such tools provide startups with an opportunity for obtaining patent (s) where previously there was none. I also hope that as the education of self filers increases then the standard of self filing will also increase. The http://www.patentsincommerce.com/PatentWizard.htm provides the layout for patents; however, it does not provide enough detail on the concepts involved. We wrote the patent expert system to help inventors understand the issues involved by explaining the issue as they arose: http://www.1place.com.au/expert/expert_wizard.php?area_id=12. Thanks for your thoughts 1Place 1p.com.au On Nov 12, 11:56 am, Mark Burch <m...@markburch.net> wrote: > Dang! :) > > Regards, > Mark Burch > > From: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com > [mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Panyam > Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2009 11:45 AM > To: silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: New business models to protect inventiveness > > Prior art Mark!!! > > http://www.patentsincommerce.com/PatentWizard.htm > > :D > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Mark Burch > <m...@markburch.net<mailto:m...@markburch.net>> wrote: > > You said: "the problem with drafting a patent is that you need to devote > considerable time to it to get a document that is worth submitting." I > suppose 5 years ago everybody thought that amicable divorce settlements > needed to be drafted by a high cost lawyer in a suit and tie. According to > that article it turns out for a lot of people, it can be done by the end user > using a software wizard. > So let me humbly challenge your thinking on that. Do you really need a high > cost lawyer in a suit and tie to draft a patent application? Can you > systematise the drafting process and put it in a guided wizard type thing, > that a non lawyer can use to follow the bouncing ball? > > I wonder if I could get a patent on a wizard that helps me submit a patent > application. > > Regards, > Mark Burch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com<mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@goo > glegroups.com> > [mailto:silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com<mailto:silicon-beach-austr > a...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 1_Place > Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2009 7:29 AM > To: Silicon Beach Australia > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: New business models to protect inventiveness > > Hi Mark > > Your Wired reference has been on our minds: the problem with drafting > a patent is that you need to devote considerable time to it to get a > document that is worth submitting. This is one of the main reasons > why the majority of patent firms only concentrate on the big end of > town, since tying up an attorneys services in drafting a patent will > often amount to many days work. > > We have tried to turn things around and concentrate on the startup and > growth community by offering bundled capped fees etc, or try to save > our clients money by getting them to draft the first cut - however, > many clients have problems dealing with the drafting side and we end > up doing the work. > > Thats why we are looking for a new business model that will help those > that need patent services & also help put Australia on the map for > inventiveness as viewed by the number of patent filings per capita. > > There is a solution so we can help each other - but what is it? > Exchange for services maybe? > > All suggestions appreciated. > > 1Place > 1p.com.au<http://1p.com.au> > > On Nov 9, 12:09 pm, Mark Burch > <m...@markburch.net<mailto:m...@markburch.net>> wrote: > > In a word, low cost elawyering. > > > The Good Enough Revolution: When Cheap and Simple Is Just > > Finehttp://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/magazine/17-09/ff_goodenou.<http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/magazine/17-09/ff_goodenou.>.. > > > (Theres a bit about elawyering which may interest you). In a nutshell we're > > moving away from high cost high quality services to a world in which cheap > > and good enough is the norm. If you get in front of that curve.... > > > Regards, > > Mark Burch > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com<mailto:silicon-beach-austra...@goo > > glegroups.com> > > [mailto:silicon-beach-australia@googlegroups.com<mailto:silicon-beach-austr > > a...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 1_Place > > Sent: Monday, 9 November 2009 7:16 AM > > To: Silicon Beach Australia > > Subject: [SiliconBeach] New business models to protect inventiveness > > > Dear Silicon Beach > > > Reading the LifeGuard paper:http://www.siliconbeachaustralia.org/lifeguard/ > > & considering what can we do to help, we thought that we would seek > > suggestions from Silicon Beach for ways to improve start up access to > > legal and patent attorney services. > > > Our belief is that there are other obstacles that prevent starts up > > from having a easy path to success, one of which is the cost of IP > > protection - and in particular patent protection! > > > We would really appreciate any thoughts on how we can offer legal and > > patent attorney services and still survive ourselves. Is there a way > > that we could help IT start ups to secure patent protection for new > > inventions and not go under ourselves? > > > One way is to provide help for startups to put in their own patent > > applications. We have an initial teaching aid for patents > > at:http://www.1place.com.au/expert/expert_wizard.php?area_id=12 > > > Please let us know other ways that we could change the way legal and > > attorney services are offered to help make Australia more competitive. > > Any thoughts on this? > > > We are sure that there are good alternative business models worth > > trying; therefore, we are looking for your input. > > > Thanks > > > Michael > > 1p.com.au<http://1p.com.au> > > -- > Blog:http://panyam.wordpress.com > Twitter: @panyam --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon Beach Australia mailing list. Guidelines on discussion: http://tr.im/ujKF No lurkers! 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