On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM, drllau <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/l/legal_fees.asp #include <std/ > lawyerjokes.h> > > As someone who's crossed over to the dark side, let me put it in > another way. If a client came to you without a requirements doc and > asked for a quote to code it up, what would be the answer? My answer would be, let me spend 10 minutes talking to you, seeing your intent, and having an interactive exchange and then iteratively progressing to a spec... not "give me money for at least a day - yes, that will be $7k thanks" and then we talk... of course, who was the stupid one that gave the money... me! me! me! me! me! ... a lesson expensively learned... there's a reason "used car salesmen" have a reputation... and if you generalise, you'll be safer more often... all i am saying is that lawyers too have built a reputation over time... there are good ones, but better to proceed cautiously... more often than not, you'll get one that only wants to rip you off! > The problem > is not so much the law (unless a really curly question) but time > figuring out the facts (as distinguished from subjective fictions) and > mapping the possible solutions sets. Very time-consuming and > unfortunately can be open-ended at times. > > Sometimes the bleeding obvious is not as intuitive as it appears. > However, legal services is an area ripe for disintermediation as 80% > of time is spent filling out forms ... but most of the value is > knowing WHICH legal forms. > totally, totally, totally agree... i would hire a consultant who knows what he is doing at $600 per hour anyday over even just 20 graduates at even $20 an hour... but the consultant show know their stuff, ask you the relevant questions, and get the job done in 1/10th the time it would have taken 20 graduates... anyway, i think we've beaten this topic to death :) there's good ones, there's bad ones... my experience with them... be cautious... :) > > Lawrence > http://nz.linkedin.com/in/drllau > > > On Oct 26, 6:44 pm, simran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Kurt, > > > > Lawyers in Sydney, and that was 2008...i suspect they charge even more > now! > > (yes, it was a big reputable firm, and yes, i got 3 quotes and they were > all > > about the same :) > > > > I believe in paying for the right consultant, but you do expect something > > "more than the bleeding obvious"... which really should have been told to > me > > in the first 15 minutes (and i would have paid for that 15 minutes and > taken > > the action - which i was going to anyway). It's the, lets just ask for > "all > > the relevant documentation" read it, and then give the "bleeding obvious" > > advice that bugged me! felt like i was shammed! > > > > And your email taken with a great sense of humour, i might as well get > value > > for money and consider it "fee for entertainment due to my stupidity of > > going to a lawyer" and enjoy it till my time to come has push up daisies > :) > > > > :) > > > > ps: next time, i am indeed coming to you, and expecting a good discount - > > you [probably alone :] have to make up for your fraternity ;) > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Kurt Falkenstein < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Simran - can you please let me know where lawyers can charge $7K per > > > day as I would like to move there. "Sham" or no sham that's some damn > > > fine cash. If you're unloading fees like this please feel free to > > > refer your legal work to me, I'll work for a measly few hundred per > > > hour "sham-free" and generally I'll fix the fee, and discount steeply > > > for startups and tech entrepeneurs. But if I can get $7K per day then > > > I'll leave the benevolence to someone else! > > > > > (I hope this is taken with the humour in which it is written). > > > > > Kurt Falkenstein > > > > > > I know what [most?] will probably say about lawyers, but in 99% of > cases, > > > to > > > > me, lawyers are a sham! It's a total waste of money, people spend > more > > > time > > > > protecting themselves than building (and of course, their funds go to > the > > > > lawyers at rates like $7k/day! yes, i too have paid stupid fees like > that > > > > for totally obvious advice!), and using their funds wisely for their > > > > venture. (Not saying with certainty don't use a lawyer, but think > about > > > > whether you really need one, a simple one pager that you and your > boss > > > draft > > > > that covers the spirit usually works). > > > > > > Besides, if you go consulting (/ on a retainer), you will do a new > > > contract > > > > with your current employer, and as a consultant your duties and > > > > responsibilities will be different and as long as you don't complete > with > > > > them directly (which would be unethical anyway), it will be safer for > > > you. > > > > > > simran. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Silicon > Beach > > > Australia mailing list. Visthttp://siliconbeachaustralia.orgfor more > > > > > Forum rules > > > 1) No lurkers! It is expected that you introduce yourself. > > > 2) No jobs postings. 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