Many in India are vegetarian because of the high cost of meat.  Vegetarians 
there are of many types, those that will eat unfertilized eggs, those that will 
eat eggs that are "hidden" as in a cake, etc... those that will eat only milk 
products, etc.  Indian vegetarians, as a rule, won't eat cheese, as it uses 
rennin, an animal product made from cow's stomachs, which is necessary to 
curdle milk in the process of making cheese.  Indian "cheese" (paneer) is more 
of a pressed milk solid made by precipitating the milk solids with lime juice 
or something similar.  A staple of Indian diet is lentils and pulses which, 
along with rice or whole wheat, provides a complete protein.  Unfortunately, 
most of the rice is polished (not whole grain).  Many vegetables are eaten, 
both starchy and non-starchy, in season.  Various types of oils like sesame oil 
and other local oils provide good fats.  Many spices are eaten which, no doubt, 
provide trace nutrients and herbal benefits.  Bottom line is that these people 
have eaten vegetarian for generations and their food culture is set up to 
support this type of eating.  Unfortunately, modern processed food and food 
practice are becoming readily available there and we may be seeing more 
problems from this.

In this country some practitioners have noted that many vegetarians lack 
hydrochloric acid and may need to supplement this for digestion, and also 
things like B12.  Get your vitamin D as well.  While you're at it supplement 
some magnesium too...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Family [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>Dairy cows- vegetarian

I know of thousands of people who are vegetarian in this country (US) , and 
dozens personally, though most of my friends are vegetarian, mostly lacto, some 
vegan.  Half of the Indian Subcontinent are lacto vegetarian, though many of 
them are vegan in practice, due to the higher cost of milk. This is not 
counting the thousands in Asia and Indochina.

I think most of the problems are due to not growing up in the lifestyle, and 
having good food choices ingrained. The other issue my kids run into is the 
lack of good vegan food available at restaurants etc.

I believe the greater problem is in the quality of food in the US- and 
chemicals, drugs etc in the food supply, and since finding out about what they 
put into genetically engineered foods, it is a wonder that anyone is healthy. 
All the vitamins in the world won't help us if we are eating contaminated food 
to begin with.

I am starting to believe that some of this systemic infection I have been 
trying to get rid of was indroduced by the genetically engineered food 
industry- they put E coli into the food, for pete's sake! Not to mention the 
antibiotic resistant bacteria they put into every gene.

I do take B12, though, the Indians that eat a little dairy don't need this.

I think if people knew of the benefits to themselves and the planet of a 
natural organic vegetarian diet, more would choose it.

Kathryn

On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:29 PM, jessie70 wrote:

> I would love to be a vegetarian again, but after over a decade, I 
> started having too many problems. I spoke with others who concur that 
> they got run down on a veg diet. Part of it is people tend to eat more 
> carbs but also people are now advocating a raw veg diet b/c enzymes 
> are killed when veggies are cooked. However it's a lifestyle change to 
> go raw. Jess -----Original Message-----
> From: Cinder Ella [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:51 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: CS>Dairy cows
>
> I used to work in a lot of the major hotels in Toronto and in the 
> staff cafeteria were two big blue bins.  It was for leftover food from 
> your plate and food that no one wanted.  On a regular basis it was 
> picked up and I asked where the food went to since it was obviously 
> "garbage".  I was told by the hotel staff that it was "recycled" into 
> feed for animals.  A company comes and picks it up and they mulch it 
> all together and recycle it to put into, for example, cattle feed.  He 
> didn't get into all the details but that means that chicken, pork, 
> fish, white bread, gravy, spices, lamb and whatever unedible edibles 
> went into it were given to other animals for feed and that's just 
> disgusting because I  don't advocate eating pork since learning about 
> Rife and knowing what the heck those animals are harboring in terms of 
> parasites.  Now my cows and chickens have the same parasites as the 
> pork I refuse to eat.  So guess what?  I am now a vegetarian and don't 
> even eat fish anymore.  A cow won't go into the pasture and attack a 
> pig or a chicken to eat.  Why do we insist on fooling them to do 
> otherwise?  We are a sick warped society if you ask me and it's going 
> to come back to nip us in the bud.
>  
> On the contrary, my father lives across the road from a cattle and a 
> dairy farmer.  I don't personally know what they are fed but I can 
> tell you he feeds them hay because I see it in the field piled up and 
> when they go away, my dad takes over and feeds them and they run free 
> all day in the many boundless acres of green grass and sunshine.  I 
> highly doubt they feed them anything else from hotel blue bins but 
> this is only one farm in Canada.  Perhaps high volume farms are 
> different.  But here's the conundrum.... .......... how do you know 
> where the heck YOUR slab of steak came from when it's in the 
> supermarket?  How do I know I'm getting farmer Jack's beef from across 
> the road?  I don't.  (By the way both farms feed antibiotics and all 
> the other nasty drugs cows get as a preventative measure.  Great!  So 
> does it really matter?)  Not to me!
> Doris
> Vegetarian all the way [Yes I realize vegetables are bad too GMO's and 
> all bla bla bla]  Maybe I'll just live on silver water or kill myself 
> ......... before going insane!!!!!!!
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rebecca Thomas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:40:16 AM
> Subject: CS>Dairy cows
>
>
> Terry, when you say.."Then, of course, they are fed diets of various 
> animal parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine, green grass, 
> fresh water and exercise, and the resulting unhealthy animal produces 
> equally unhealthy milk. ", I don't know about ALL of your points, but 
> I do know for a fact that this part isn't true for any of the dairies 
> where we lived and worked in OR!!
>  Those cows lived in large pastures, only going in to the barn for 
> milking twice a day, or if one was sick.
>  I also think it is the Beef cattle that are fed the unspeakable 
> parts, and I agree that that should stop immediately, if not sooner!!!
>  Becca
>
>
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