I wrote: > > Next, if you leave the lid off you no longer have a closed system. > > Distilled water (and your CS), will absorb carbon dioxide from the air > > and form (I think it is...) carbolic acid.
Indi replies: > Yes well, the idea that we actually make containers which contain only > H2O and silver is a misconception, as you yourself have just pointed > out. Yes, but your contention that we cannot achieve any kind of effective air-tight seal is quite misconcieved as well. I've seen plastic pop bottles filled with water on a warm day in the fall and left in the trunk of a car over an entire winter, collapse as the weather got cold, *stay* that way for months even as they underwent numerous freeze-thaw cycles, and return to their original volume the first equally warm day in the spring. I've personally sampled home-canned fruit that was at least 20 years old and still well-sealed and safely edible. I've also designed, built and operated vacuum equipment with everything from O-ring seals and rough pumps to cryo-pumped ultra-high-vacuum systems with conflat flanges. I'm aware that there are detectable leak rates across various sealing materials and diffusion of hydrogen and helium through metals and glass. All of my experiences back up Ken's off-the-cuff report: Although it's theoretically possible, in fact inevitable, that some exchange of gas molecules between the interior and exterior of a filled container will take place, at near-atmospheric pressures and for all practical purposes the amounts are NOT significant as long as the seals are functioning as they're designed. If you are concerned about effects down in the 10^-12 range, don't bother. They are not meaningful in this discussion. Nothing we do here is that precise, nor does it need to be. > As I said, without proper chemical analysis one cannot be sure of the > exact content, and it is exceedingly unlikely that what we make to > start with is pure H2O and silver only, or that the solution stored in > simple jars will remain unchanged for very long. Once whatever dissolved gases included in the closed container have finished doing whatever they're going to do over the first few days, long term changes appear to be minimal, based on more reports than just Ken's. Given how sensitive electrical conductivity happens to be to even slight changes in conditions or composition, getting two readings even roughly the same months apart is a pretty strong indicator that things haven't changed significantly. In our experience, that's the nature of the beast when you're talking about conductivity. While the exact value of your readings may not be all that close to some theoretical ideal measurement, comparative readings are in fact pretty sensitive to changes. > That is my point, and I certainly cannot yield it, I'd be lying. Well, you're welcome to your position, but in the absence of actual experiences contradicting the rest of us, I'll take a wait-and-see attitude on your assertions, okay? <grin> > Anyway, thanks for pointing out my misstatements. I will be more > careful about that in the future. Not sure if you read the whole > discussion though, as there was a lot of email I never got the last > couple of days and I have no way of knowing if all the email I sent got > through. I think it was Comcast's fault, but am not sure... As near as I can tell from here, all your posts made it through, including the one you re-sent when you didn't see it. (Which is understandable given the circumstances.) Three people have now reported to me that COMCAST has once again been intermittently blocking messages from the list server. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
