Well said Kevin . I'll be looking forward to Mike's response .... especially his opinions on the book as I have not ordered it either, as of this time. Namaste: Bob Bartell
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:50 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Living Water & CS Hello Mike. Yes I do recall you recommending those books. Rightly or wrongly I will confess to becoming sceptical when reading through the blurb at one or two web sites selling them. The language was, well, flowery. Take the site currently under consideration - http://www.alivewater.net/pages/Water.html. On that page we read: "The fact that many people today, apart from their own sensations and gut feelings, demand scientific proof, which alone will be accepted by the intellect, is caused by one-sided linear thinking or in other words, the "rational" mind's (left side of the brain) monopoly on "accepted" knowledge. This makes us feel unable to trust our ability to sense the truth and trust the faith we feel inside whenever we experience something which is not confirmed by the scientific establishment." This sets the stage for: "We humans have always been inclined to expect miracles and wonders. Especially when something occurs which cannot be understood with the rational mind alone. These so-called miracles and wonders each person can realize using his or her inherent and innate powers. For instance, there are individuals who lose faith in their healing when a dis~ease occurs, while others are capable of overcoming the dis~ease by maintaining the belief in their healing. The more effort a person is prepared to put into doing something for themselves, the more intensively Living Water will help in the utilization of the forces in Living Water. When using Water, especially Revitalized Water, it is very beneficial to be aware of the living consciousness of Water. If you, for example, experience that Living Water does not solve some problem you have in a satisfactory way, you do not have to give up your faith and beliefs in Living Water, or yourself. Take it as an opportunity and stumbling block, a welcomed reason to go through your problem once again and do some research into the cause of the problem. Then maybe you will find reason to acknowledge and admit the fact that there might be something which you can change (e.g. in your lifestyle, attitude or ways of thinking). After this you might find that Living Water is now able and willing to support you to be stronger in your new state of mind because it is closer to the truth in your reality." So I really have to believe beforehand for it to work - or work well at least. What's more the water apparently has a personality all it's own. Pardon the pun, but this all seems a little hard to swallow. It's a world away from CS making, where members can convey experiences in measurable and understandable terms. Thus we talk about trying a certain electrode area, a certain current or voltage, a certain DW conductivity, stirring method, etc, etc. I get the impression with 'Living waters' systems, a change of religion is almost mandatory. Maybe this is being unfair. So can I ask you, Mike, to summarize the principles that are at work, from your reading of Callum Coates et al. Also, what measurable change in water properties have you found from using your own vortex energizer? Finally, are you aware of any 'living waters' list(s) equivelent to the silver-list? If any such lists exist that may be the best way for folks to evaluate the various claims; get opinions and actual experiences from a whole range of users. regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Fuller <mailto:car...@touch88.com.au> To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Living Water & CS Hi Kevin et al, Kevin, its obvious, at least to me, that you haven't read any of the books relating to Schauberger's work on 'living water'. The best example I know is 'Living Energies' by Callum Coats, which I suggested to you some time previously. If you had you would realise that your statement about placing water in a blender to energise it was very opposite-to-correct. I can only reiterate: read the book, or something similar, to get at least a feel for the subject. Regards, Mike Fuller From: "Kevin Nolan" <ken...@optusnet.com.au> Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:57:37 +1100 To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: CS>Living Water & CS Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:58:11 -0800 Candice and Catmagnet: The basic idea at http://www.alivewater.net/ <http://www.alivewater.net/pages/toorder.html> is that water naturally wants to move in "swirls and curls", and running water through straight pipes (anf 90 degree bends) 'deadens' it. Instead of purchasing some expensive pipework that as far as I can see does no more than gently centrifuges the water, why not just place water in a blender and rev it up for a minute or two? If ''swirls and curls" really re-energize as claimed, the blender treatment should be orders of magnitude better and a lot cheaper to boot. Are there any listers who can verify the claims for revitalizing/energizing/restructuring from use of magnets or vortexing? I mean objective, repeatable tests such as reduced surface tension, improved plant growth or the like. Lots of extravagent claims out there, but how much is true? regards, Kevin Nolan
