Please find my comments interspersed :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: elixsil...@citlink.net [mailto:elixsil...@citlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2002 3:56 p.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>buying cs instead of making it. > > > I have been doing some reading on the silver websites > lately and I see > someone saying that ionic silver crosses the cell wall. Is > not that a > problem? I've always thought silver smothers anaerobically > metabolizing > organisms from the outside thereby harming no aerobically > metabolizing > organisms. If it crosses into the cell can it not then harm > it somehow?
Silver acts upon pathogens in various ways. One, that you refer to, is by disabling cellular wall transport proteins to the extent that they can no longer transport, or allow admittance of, the molecules and ions the cell needs for life. This can only occur if the silver binds to the proteins and thus it must be in the ionic form to do so. Indeed, it has been found that if the silver is removed from its association with these cell wall proteins (by introducing a chemical with a higher affinity for silver ions), the pathogen can recover. Silver ions have also been found inside the cells of bacteria, bonded to cellular proteins and DNA/RNA, which would further disrupt cellular processes. It is thought that silver gains cellular entrance by weakening the cell wall in the process previously described. Whether a pathogen is aerobic or anaerobic makes no difference. There is however, some question about the relative effectiveness of silver regarding gram negative (hard cell wall, negatively charged) vs. gram positive (double membrane) bacteria. Silver ions do not seem to have a negative effect on mammalian cells. > Also, in my early experiments of '98 I found vit.C/ascorbic > acid to work the > best as an electrolyte- virtually always bringing the ions > to colloidal > size-thus the yellow coloration shows itself. Making yellow > colloids is what > I learned from DR. Peter Reynolds and others. Well, this is one way of making large silver particles, until the ascorbic acid is used up. Then you will be generating silver ions. Here is a nice pictorial view of some of the process that may be occurring: http://www.educ.cc.keio.ac.jp/~ub06272/ICCGposter.ppt I do not > understand ionic. It > seems to me it is just another way of saying molecular, > which I equate with > bad. Who were the first one or two people to promote ionic > and where is > their research to be found. I want to be able to debunk it > properly or not > at all. Can anyone answer this. The definition of an ion is quite wide, it may be an atom which has gained or lost an electron, and so has a net charge, or similarly, a molecule which has a net charge. A silver ion is in the former group, that is, and atom which has lost one or more electrons and so has a net charge of + one, two or three. A positively charged ion is called a cation (cat-ion), most metals or mineral form cations. Electrically generated CS is formed from a stream of + one cations (Ag+) which emanate from the anode. Thus, all such "colloidal silver" has a high percentage of ions, and should more properly be called a silver solution. Very few CS products have a large particulate percentage, of which a true colloid is formed. The colours of CS do relate to particle size (and light extinction and plasmon production) and are due to the percentage of particles that exist in it. There is also an unsubstantiated theory that ions form co-ordinated groups at certain concentrations. The fact that ionic silver does produce good outcomes is without question, considering that most, if not all of the testimonials, written in the last decade or so, relate to CS with a high ionic percentage. > Johnny Silverseed author: > C/S ....@ntibiotic Superhero Regards Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
