On Jan 26, 2008 9:07 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom:A computer is not "disembodied" any more than you are. Silicon, as a > substrate, is fully equivalent to biological neurons in terms of > theoretical problem-solving ability.
See http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/tom/?p=19 for a more detailed explanations. > You've been fooled by the puppet. It doesn't work without the puppeteer. Humans have been just as "puppeted" by evolution as computers have by humans. See http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/thou-art-godsha.html, http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/adaptation-exec.html, http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/evolutionary-ps.html. We still don't need or want evolution running our day-to-day lives (see http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/conjuring-an-ev.html). > And contrary to Eliezer: > "A transhuman is a transhuman mind; anything else is a side issue." > > the evidence of billions of years of evolution Only applies to evolved creatures, which are a tiny subset of all possible minds. See http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/no-evolution-fo.html. > says that the mind doesn't > work without the body. A computer has a body; it's just made of silicon instead of meat. See http://www.setileague.org/articles/meat.htm for a humorous take on this. > No body, no mind. No physics, no psychology, no AI. > If it can't move, it can't think. Do you seriously think that *two identical chips*- one of which is placed on a movable apparatus, and one of which isn't- are going to show dramatic differences in intelligence? The code required for motion, in comparison with the full complexity of a mind, is tiny. You can program a robot to move with ten lines of BASIC. > (And I think, thanks in part to mirrror > neurons, that we are now on the verge of finally pinning down why. But > that's another post). An AI won't *have* neurons. What neurons do or don't do isn't even relevant. > > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > - Tom ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&id_secret=90309600-3bd61e
