Alf wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Ng Kai Hoe Raymond wrote:
> > This statement is ALMOST tautological, to the extent of
> > being needless to SAY. A person is by default an editor when
> > he contributes, so the statement that contribution is only from
> > own editors is AUTOMATICALLY true, so what is alf trying
> > to say?
>         Then why are you pulling in editors ? You're the one MAKING
> editors by asking people to write articles....

This is ridiculous, this goes to show how ignorant you are.
You think all editors here work by writing articles? Some
work just by designing logos, some work just by giving money,
some work just by giving us hardware, some work just by
just liasing with external vendors.

Do you know the work involved? You HAVE COMPLETELY
NO IDEA.

> > > it was t be an open site ? I dun see an interface for ppl to post their
> > > views yet.... I beg you guys to remember our original vision of SLP being
> > > an OpenSource/Linux Portal.
> > YES IT IS! I have begged you all to do the BBS, didn't I? How
> > many are doing it? YOU? Did you do anything to incorporate a
> > slashdot like bbs into the portal. When that is done, the portal will
> > run by itself without us doing anything. HOW MANY have listened
> > to me? YOU? I have told you all that the BBS will also function
> > as a file exchange area, did not I? (Please do not tell me that you
> > have forgotten, I do not take nicely to that, as I did not take nicely
> > to you not even knowing that linux.org.sg was owned by LUGS).
>         Dunno.. U assume we knew...

It was ALL in the emails. Even the fact that linux.org.sg was owned
by LUGS, you are NOT conscientious that is all.

> > I need to do so many administrative and marketing stuff that I nearly
> > do not have time for anything else, other than high level project
> > management. Now the top of my list is the keyboard evaluation,
> > Eugene has to do evaluation on SuSE. Only a couple is left to do
> > the slashdot like BBS. DID YOU DO ANYTHING TO HELP?
>         I find your rush for the review more of a rush for fame, you are
> rushing out articles before the site is even ready....

The site is never ready, and will NEVER be ready.

What do you mean by ready, a state of matters in which nothing
needs to be done? Fat hope, that state can never be reached.

> > If you want something in the Portal, DO IT YOURSELF, for god
> > sake. Stop complaining. If you can do a better job planning all the
> > marketing, recruitment and administrative issues, YOU TAKE
> > OVER ME. I have enough of your whinings.
>         I can't, w/o you there is no SLP... coz u are SLP :)
>         I've no need for such fame for nw... *grin*

This is ridiculous, so you think this website is done in my honour?

How often do you find my name appearing in Singapore Linux Portal
other than the reviews I have made (2 so far) and the editors' list?

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU MIRROR RUFUS AND PUT YOUR
NAME IN PLACE OF DANIEL'S NAME. A lack of intellectual
attribution seems to reflect a lot on you, right? You have a big ego,
I do not.

> > The vision has all along been there, I have laid down already in
> > "Work In Progress" what is needed to be done to reach those ideals.
> > Have YOU executed those plans? We know what is needed, Have
> > YOU done anything to do those?
>         Maybe u didn't realise... I'm supposed to setup the ftp/mirroring
> stuff.. which I have.. except YOUR DEAR F!@#IN hardwarezone decides to
> give us a server that is not only SLOW, it now doesn't even let us do our
> miroring !!!

You want me to swear at you before you can understand, is it?

THINK of alternative to SOLVE the problem, there is NO point
telling me, I cannot accelerate the line for your usage. Setup a
ftp proxy somewhere and goddamn ftp the whole damn thing over
first. I only hear you whine and in end I still get no solution from
you! Do you really have a problem or Do you need me to babysit you
or what?!?!

Do you need to argue with me ONCE A WEEK? You are testing
my patience you know? Why are there no PROBLEMS with other
editors? ONLY YOU HAVE PROBLEMS!

> > We have a work plan for SLP. We KNOW that a forum needs to be
> > constructed. YOUR JOB is to execute those plans. If you have a better
> > plan, propose it here.
>         I JUST PROPOSE A PLAN TO MEET!! READ MY MAIL !
>
> > > Anyway.. I've already begn designs for a discussion forum/project
> > > management site for OpenSource project. Slated for openning this
> > > mid-september, it will be a place for programmers to meet and share
> > > ideas/projects among themselves in an open fashion... I was always hoping
> > > SLP will have such an area, but i have waited too long... I'm still
> > We are supposed to have this area, LONG LONG TIME
> > ago.
>         Hey, you can't rush nature.. as you quoted darwin b4, "things will
> find it's way..."

I said, life will find a way. Read more about social darwinism, perhaps
you can understand what I am trying to say. Do not try to guess my
meaning,.

>
>
> Elvin
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