I forgot to say, Eugene. If you help hardwarezone,
do not use your SLP's email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Use some other addresses.
Email addresses are marketing tools. And Singapore
Linux Portal has never agreed to help hardwarezone moderate
their linux forum. So you cannot use your SLP email address
there.
Message out.
Ng Kai Hoe Raymond wrote:
> Eugene Teo wrote:
>
> > >Hi,
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > >I've very new to this list, so if I offend anyone, I apologise first. No
> > doubt that the discussion board forum on HWZ is a blow
> >
> > Welcome to the club.
> >
> > >to the ambitions of SLP.
> >
> > I have no idea why it is a blow to our ambitions of SLP. A forum is just a
> > forum.
>
> Eugene, you got it all wrong here.
>
> We cannot have a forum situated in somebody else's
> website. This is as ridiculous as it can get.
>
> You do not yet see the implications.
>
> >
> >
> > >However, this is the time to close ranks rather than bicker among
> > ourselves. In fact, the move by HWZ is deterimentally to >the local linux
> > scene becoz there is insufficient traffic to split between both boards,
> > resulting in fragmentation. I do not >understand why Amensia(he is one of
> > our own right?) decided to moderate the room. Shouldn't we all support
> > SLP's?>Several points :
> >
> > I didn't want to get involved in the bickering in the first place; It's
> > getting very pointless.
> >
> > Jackie asked me to help him moderate the forum for the time being until
> > linux.phing.com is ready (don't ask me why it is for. I do not know anything
> > about it). Raymond, he told you; you knew that. I only agreed to help him on
> > friendship sake. This has nothing to do with SLP. This is absurd. Please
> > justify this.
>
> Yes, I know. If you help hardwarezone, it is _your_ personal
> problem, I respect your freedom, but Singapore Linux Portal
> has no part in that decision made by you.
>
> I expect the group to be informed by any offer of resources
> in the future by ANY group, hardwarezone or no hardwarezone.
>
> Then we can come to a common consensus. We will NOT use
> a forum situated in someone else's website.
>
> To paraphrase Mahatma Gandhi, I would rather have a lousy forum
> that is owned by ourselves than to have a forum controlled by
> someone else. No way am I going to COMPROMISE our freedom
> by that extent.
>
> >
> >
> > Anyways, when we are handling such matters, should we be more tactful? I
> > would rather SLP has an amiable friendship with HWZ than to make
> > relationship soured just over such minor matter. Please be rational. Rants
> > and Raves a no-no. There are better things to do =)
> >
> > >Firstly, I do not believe HWZ will have an active discussion going on at
> > all. Working against HWZ( assuming a boycott by >SLP) is that they have
> > little or no expertise in linux at all. They are basically hardware chasers
> > who want the latest and fastest.
> > >But nothing new ever works on linux(anyone get a TNT2 to run at its
> > potential yet?).Their site is orthogonal to the state of >linux. The reason
> > why HWZ is trying to subsume other aspects of IT is becoz they have
> > basically plateued out. There is only >so much local advertising by
> > dealers/shops that can be done. Doing reviews is no good becoz of a bunch
> > of other overseas >sites already get the latest hardware and reviews up
> > first. The net model supports first mover and winner takes all type of
> > >economy with (near) costless provision of information. HWZ is too late in
> > this respect. On the other hand, Linux is about >SOFTWARE which can be
> > obtained more easily than hardware. That is our advantage.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > >Secondly, the expertise of the pple on this list and board I believe is far
> > greater than HWZ's(not the overclocking expertise >though I think). Sys
> > admin, real programming(not HTML!) etc. If, SLP decides to do something, it
> > can be achieved fast and >rapidly.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > >Thirdly, SLP's members have an average age that is significantly higher
> > than HWZ I believe(from the postings I get the >impression). Most of us hold
> > day-time jobs and have families. Our time is inherently limited for our
> > linux passion. So, with
> >
> > Some of us are students. me, alvin, elvin, who else? =)
> >
> > >these limited resources, good project management and quality work is
> > required. I suggest that a contribution ranking >structure be setup. Pple
> > who consistently contribute are promoted into the inner circle which has
> > decision making powers. >Those who just complain alot are
> > ...well...ignored....
> >
> > HaHa I can imagine how Raymond is going to react to this. I will leave this
> > space for him. I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
> >
> > >PS : Raymond, I forgot to tell u that I have experience implementing a beta
> > Altavista SDK. Do u want a search engine for >SLP(not altavista though
> > becoz license prob but there are a bunch of others)?
> >
> > Hey lionel. I am very interested in spiders and search engine. mail
> > privately.
> >
> > Happy lurking around our list =)
> > --
> > Eugene Teo
>
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> Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
> Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> 'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
> that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
> they are.'
> - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
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Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP Public Key : http://members.tripod.com/~ngkaihoe/ngkaihoe.txt
'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
they are.'
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
