As I have said, I stopped being the moderator and I am not using our
domain names as a marketing tool at HWZ. wtf.
Eugene
> I forgot to say, Eugene. If you help hardwarezone,
> do not use your SLP's email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Use some other addresses.
>
> Email addresses are marketing tools. And Singapore
> Linux Portal has never agreed to help hardwarezone moderate
> their linux forum. So you cannot use your SLP email address
> there.
>
> Message out.
>
> Ng Kai Hoe Raymond wrote:
>
> > Eugene Teo wrote:
> >
> > > >Hi,
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > >I've very new to this list, so if I offend anyone, I apologise first.
No
> > > doubt that the discussion board forum on HWZ is a blow
> > >
> > > Welcome to the club.
> > >
> > > >to the ambitions of SLP.
> > >
> > > I have no idea why it is a blow to our ambitions of SLP. A forum is
just a
> > > forum.
> >
> > Eugene, you got it all wrong here.
> >
> > We cannot have a forum situated in somebody else's
> > website. This is as ridiculous as it can get.
> >
> > You do not yet see the implications.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >However, this is the time to close ranks rather than bicker among
> > > ourselves. In fact, the move by HWZ is deterimentally to >the local
linux
> > > scene becoz there is insufficient traffic to split between both
boards,
> > > resulting in fragmentation. I do not >understand why Amensia(he is one
of
> > > our own right?) decided to moderate the room. Shouldn't we all support
> > > SLP's?>Several points :
> > >
> > > I didn't want to get involved in the bickering in the first place;
It's
> > > getting very pointless.
> > >
> > > Jackie asked me to help him moderate the forum for the time being
until
> > > linux.phing.com is ready (don't ask me why it is for. I do not know
anything
> > > about it). Raymond, he told you; you knew that. I only agreed to help
him on
> > > friendship sake. This has nothing to do with SLP. This is absurd.
Please
> > > justify this.
> >
> > Yes, I know. If you help hardwarezone, it is _your_ personal
> > problem, I respect your freedom, but Singapore Linux Portal
> > has no part in that decision made by you.
> >
> > I expect the group to be informed by any offer of resources
> > in the future by ANY group, hardwarezone or no hardwarezone.
> >
> > Then we can come to a common consensus. We will NOT use
> > a forum situated in someone else's website.
> >
> > To paraphrase Mahatma Gandhi, I would rather have a lousy forum
> > that is owned by ourselves than to have a forum controlled by
> > someone else. No way am I going to COMPROMISE our freedom
> > by that extent.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyways, when we are handling such matters, should we be more tactful?
I
> > > would rather SLP has an amiable friendship with HWZ than to make
> > > relationship soured just over such minor matter. Please be rational.
Rants
> > > and Raves a no-no. There are better things to do =)
> > >
> > > >Firstly, I do not believe HWZ will have an active discussion going on
at
> > > all. Working against HWZ( assuming a boycott by >SLP) is that they
have
> > > little or no expertise in linux at all. They are basically hardware
chasers
> > > who want the latest and fastest.
> > > >But nothing new ever works on linux(anyone get a TNT2 to run at its
> > > potential yet?).Their site is orthogonal to the state of >linux. The
reason
> > > why HWZ is trying to subsume other aspects of IT is becoz they have
> > > basically plateued out. There is only >so much local advertising by
> > > dealers/shops that can be done. Doing reviews is no good becoz of a
bunch
> > > of other overseas >sites already get the latest hardware and reviews
up
> > > first. The net model supports first mover and winner takes all type of
> > > >economy with (near) costless provision of information. HWZ is too
late in
> > > this respect. On the other hand, Linux is about >SOFTWARE which can be
> > > obtained more easily than hardware. That is our advantage.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > >Secondly, the expertise of the pple on this list and board I believe
is far
> > > greater than HWZ's(not the overclocking expertise >though I think).
Sys
> > > admin, real programming(not HTML!) etc. If, SLP decides to do
something, it
> > > can be achieved fast and >rapidly.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> > >
> > > >Thirdly, SLP's members have an average age that is significantly
higher
> > > than HWZ I believe(from the postings I get the >impression). Most of
us hold
> > > day-time jobs and have families. Our time is inherently limited for
our
> > > linux passion. So, with
> > >
> > > Some of us are students. me, alvin, elvin, who else? =)
> > >
> > > >these limited resources, good project management and quality work is
> > > required. I suggest that a contribution ranking >structure be setup.
Pple
> > > who consistently contribute are promoted into the inner circle which
has
> > > decision making powers. >Those who just complain alot are
> > > ...well...ignored....
> > >
> > > HaHa I can imagine how Raymond is going to react to this. I will leave
this
> > > space for him. I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
> > >
> > > >PS : Raymond, I forgot to tell u that I have experience implementing
a beta
> > > Altavista SDK. Do u want a search engine for >SLP(not altavista
though
> > > becoz license prob but there are a bunch of others)?
> > >
> > > Hey lionel. I am very interested in spiders and search engine. mail
> > > privately.
> > >
> > > Happy lurking around our list =)
> > > --
> > > Eugene Teo
> >
> > --
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
> > Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
> > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > PGP Public Key : http://members.tripod.com/~ngkaihoe/ngkaihoe.txt
> >
> > 'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
> > that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
> > they are.'
> > - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
> Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
> Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> PGP Public Key : http://members.tripod.com/~ngkaihoe/ngkaihoe.txt
>
> 'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
> that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
> they are.'
> - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
>
>
>
