Eugene Teo wrote:
> >Hi,
>
> Hi
>
> >I've very new to this list, so if I offend anyone, I apologise first. No
> doubt that the discussion board forum on HWZ is a blow
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
> >to the ambitions of SLP.
>
> I have no idea why it is a blow to our ambitions of SLP. A forum is just a
> forum.
Eugene, you got it all wrong here.
We cannot have a forum situated in somebody else's
website. This is as ridiculous as it can get.
You do not yet see the implications.
>
>
> >However, this is the time to close ranks rather than bicker among
> ourselves. In fact, the move by HWZ is deterimentally to >the local linux
> scene becoz there is insufficient traffic to split between both boards,
> resulting in fragmentation. I do not >understand why Amensia(he is one of
> our own right?) decided to moderate the room. Shouldn't we all support
> SLP's?>Several points :
>
> I didn't want to get involved in the bickering in the first place; It's
> getting very pointless.
>
> Jackie asked me to help him moderate the forum for the time being until
> linux.phing.com is ready (don't ask me why it is for. I do not know anything
> about it). Raymond, he told you; you knew that. I only agreed to help him on
> friendship sake. This has nothing to do with SLP. This is absurd. Please
> justify this.
Yes, I know. If you help hardwarezone, it is _your_ personal
problem, I respect your freedom, but Singapore Linux Portal
has no part in that decision made by you.
I expect the group to be informed by any offer of resources
in the future by ANY group, hardwarezone or no hardwarezone.
Then we can come to a common consensus. We will NOT use
a forum situated in someone else's website.
To paraphrase Mahatma Gandhi, I would rather have a lousy forum
that is owned by ourselves than to have a forum controlled by
someone else. No way am I going to COMPROMISE our freedom
by that extent.
>
>
> Anyways, when we are handling such matters, should we be more tactful? I
> would rather SLP has an amiable friendship with HWZ than to make
> relationship soured just over such minor matter. Please be rational. Rants
> and Raves a no-no. There are better things to do =)
>
> >Firstly, I do not believe HWZ will have an active discussion going on at
> all. Working against HWZ( assuming a boycott by >SLP) is that they have
> little or no expertise in linux at all. They are basically hardware chasers
> who want the latest and fastest.
> >But nothing new ever works on linux(anyone get a TNT2 to run at its
> potential yet?).Their site is orthogonal to the state of >linux. The reason
> why HWZ is trying to subsume other aspects of IT is becoz they have
> basically plateued out. There is only >so much local advertising by
> dealers/shops that can be done. Doing reviews is no good becoz of a bunch
> of other overseas >sites already get the latest hardware and reviews up
> first. The net model supports first mover and winner takes all type of
> >economy with (near) costless provision of information. HWZ is too late in
> this respect. On the other hand, Linux is about >SOFTWARE which can be
> obtained more easily than hardware. That is our advantage.
>
> Thank you.
>
> >Secondly, the expertise of the pple on this list and board I believe is far
> greater than HWZ's(not the overclocking expertise >though I think). Sys
> admin, real programming(not HTML!) etc. If, SLP decides to do something, it
> can be achieved fast and >rapidly.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> >Thirdly, SLP's members have an average age that is significantly higher
> than HWZ I believe(from the postings I get the >impression). Most of us hold
> day-time jobs and have families. Our time is inherently limited for our
> linux passion. So, with
>
> Some of us are students. me, alvin, elvin, who else? =)
>
> >these limited resources, good project management and quality work is
> required. I suggest that a contribution ranking >structure be setup. Pple
> who consistently contribute are promoted into the inner circle which has
> decision making powers. >Those who just complain alot are
> ...well...ignored....
>
> HaHa I can imagine how Raymond is going to react to this. I will leave this
> space for him. I don't have to reinvent the wheel.
>
> >PS : Raymond, I forgot to tell u that I have experience implementing a beta
> Altavista SDK. Do u want a search engine for >SLP(not altavista though
> becoz license prob but there are a bunch of others)?
>
> Hey lionel. I am very interested in spiders and search engine. mail
> privately.
>
> Happy lurking around our list =)
> --
> Eugene Teo
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