For real. David L.
Ben Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:34 PM To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die I don't really disagree. With my grandmother the nurse left the morphine and syringe and said give her "what she needs". I think it is quite probable that my uncle finally gave her a "little too much", but if it's so I don't fault him one bit. Many of the people vehemently against dying with some dignity are the ones who have never seen a loved one waste away and deteriorate slowly, painfully day by day. Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Harder Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:38 PM To: The Sandbox Discussion List Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Right to Die I don't think she is ventilated....ie. she is breathing on her own. The reason why I say that is that if she was ventilated it wouldn't take two weeks for her to die. I did see a tape of this woman and the lights *were*on... I don't doubt that *nobody* was home, however. I am not an expert on the definition of the word comatose. I think that an overdose of morphine would be better for all concerned than waiting for her to starve to death. My reasoning is that even though she has been kept alive by artificial means... not feeding her any more is taking action to let her die... I don't see the difference between that and giving an overdose of morphine. JMO As far as who gets to choose... I am in total agreement with Charles and Jen. I just think that if you are going to let her die... get it over with. On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Jen -- wrote: > Is she on breathing machines or she is breathing on her own ? > > If she is honestly comotose as well as brain dead, removing the > feeding tube > is not going to be painful for her. > > Im not being judgemental because I dont know the circumstances, but I > cant > imagine wanting to keep a person comotose for 13 years. That doesnt > help > anyone in the situation. Although, I do agree with Charles, other > members of > the family should not be able to come in and fight the decision that > the > next of kin has made. He/she must have her reasoning. > > I have seen two people a few years ago die basicly after they became > brain > dead. In one of those situations I was the decision maker and in one I > wasnt. But that decision isnt easy and noone should be *made* to change > their mind because someone else doesnt agree. > > JMO. > > Jen -- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'The Sandbox Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > >> Actually, the hospice folks here swear that removing the tube is >> actually >> more peaceful for the patient than other methods. Their body shuts >> down > and >> goes to sleep. >> >> >> Charles Mims >> http://www.the-sandbox.org >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Laurie >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:38 AM >> To: The Sandbox Discussion List >> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die >> >> I have a problem with just stopping the feeding tube. >> That is starving her to death...nope...can't go with that..but if she >> is >> braindead, or in a permanent vegitative state, I can see increasing >> pain >> meds and ending her life that way....no suffering. In my opinion, > starvation >> is painful and suffering occurs. >> >> Laurie >> --- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'm like you on this one. We had a tough decision with Julie's >>> mom...but fortunately the doctor was able to ask her mother if she >>> wanted more pain medicine or did she want to be more alert. She >>> chose >>> the pain medicine and it basically put her to sleep then shut her >>> down. >>> She was in so much pain >>> and suffering from the cancer. Now this case is a bit different, but >>> if they feel that taking the woman off of the feeding tubes will >>> cause >>> her pain and make her suffer, I'm not for her suffering. I say since >>> she is basically dead anyway, then give her enough medication to let >>> it be an easy transition. I don't like playing God, but I don't >>> think >>> that is the case. >>> >>> David L. >>> >>> Ben Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As >>> nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:58 AM >>> To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' >>> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die >>> >>> >>> I haven't decided on this one. The woman has been vegetative for 13 >>> years. >>> For all practical purposes she is not alive, and reports I've heard >>> is >>> that her brain waves are severely deteriorated. The drain on her >>> immediate family (Husband (children?)) must be enormous not even >>> counting the financial drain keeping her artificially alive. >>> >>> I'm looking at it like this, my wife (who according to the laws of >>> the >>> state of FL is my next of kin) knows my wishes. If she made the >>> difficult decision to cease heroic measures on me I wouldn't want my >>> mother to be able to step in and make a different decision. If the >>> extended family wins in this case, that is the precedent that will be >>> set. >>> >>> I know for *ME* I don't want to live like that. >>> Take the tube away. If it >>> is the only thing keeping me alive, I mean, and I'm not conscious. >>> Now if I were still conscious and just couldn't eat, then it is a >>> different story. >>> >>> >>> Charles Mims >>> http://www.the-sandbox.org >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of Tim Harder >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:38 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [Sndbox] Right to Die >>> >>> >>> Has anyone been paying attention to the woman in Florida who has been >>> a vegetable since 1990. They are going to remove her feeding tube... >>> They say she will *probably* die in about two weeks.... >>> Does anybody else find >>> this disturbing? I suppose they will have her loaded up on pain >>> meds? >>> Is it better for her to go this way... or would it be better for >>> someone to give her a lethal dose of something? >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, >>> digest) can be made by going >>> to >>> >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, >>> digest) can be made by going >>> to >>> >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, >>> digest) can be made by going to >>> >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net >> >> >> >> ===== >> I wanted a perfect ending... Now, I've learned, the hard way, that >> some >> poems don't rhyme, and some stories don't have a clear beginning, >> middle, >> and end. 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