Same in FL. That's why the courts ruled as they did. The spouse is the legal next of kin. As badly as I feel for the parents it is not their decision.
Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen -- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:42 AM To: The Sandbox Discussion List Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Right to Die So her parents are the ones keeping her alive ? When this happened in Ohio, the *only* person who was able to make the final decision was first the spouse, then the oldest child and lastly the parents ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Sandbox Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > I *think* she's breathing on her own. The sticking point for me is > that her > husband says she wouldn't want to live like she's living. I tend to > think he would be the one to know. It's not as if he's trying to > knock her off for insurance money, she's been this way for over a > decade. Maybe he is tired of seeing his wife suffer in a state of limbo. > > It's exactly why everyone should have a DNR order on file if they are > opposed to being artificially kept alive. For me I only want a > feeding tube > if it is a temporary measure, or if I'm sentient. You know if I can > talk and carry on my life but can't swallow for instance. I don't > want any kind > of artificial respiration unless again it is a temporary measure. > > > Charles Mims > http://www.the-sandbox.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Jen -- > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:22 PM > To: The Sandbox Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > Is she on breathing machines or she is breathing on her own ? > > If she is honestly comotose as well as brain dead, removing the > feeding tube > is not going to be painful for her. > > Im not being judgemental because I dont know the circumstances, but I > cant imagine wanting to keep a person comotose for 13 years. That > doesnt help anyone in the situation. Although, I do agree with > Charles, other members of > the family should not be able to come in and fight the decision that > the next of kin has made. He/she must have her reasoning. > > I have seen two people a few years ago die basicly after they became > brain dead. In one of those situations I was the decision maker and in > one I wasnt. But that decision isnt easy and noone should be *made* to > change their mind because someone else doesnt agree. > > JMO. > > Jen -- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'The Sandbox Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > > Actually, the hospice folks here swear that removing the tube is > > actually more peaceful for the patient than other methods. Their > > body shuts down > and > > goes to sleep. > > > > > > Charles Mims > > http://www.the-sandbox.org > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Laurie > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:38 AM > > To: The Sandbox Discussion List > > Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > > I have a problem with just stopping the feeding tube. > > That is starving her to death...nope...can't go with that..but if > > she is braindead, or in a permanent vegitative state, I can see > > increasing pain meds and ending her life that way....no suffering. > > In my opinion, > starvation > > is painful and suffering occurs. > > > > Laurie > > --- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm like you on this one. We had a tough decision with Julie's > > > mom...but fortunately the doctor was able to ask her mother if she > > > wanted more pain medicine or did she want to be more alert. She > > > chose the pain medicine and it basically put her to sleep then > > > shut her down. > > > She was in so much pain > > > and suffering from the cancer. Now this case is a bit different, > > > but if they feel that taking the woman off of the feeding tubes > > > will cause her pain and make her suffer, I'm not for her > > > suffering. I say since she is basically dead anyway, then give > > > her enough medication to let it be an easy transition. I don't > > > like playing God, but I don't think that is the case. > > > > > > David L. > > > > > > Ben Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As > > > nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:58 AM > > > To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' > > > Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > > > > > > > I haven't decided on this one. The woman has been vegetative for > > > 13 years. > > > For all practical purposes she is not alive, and reports I've > > > heard is that her brain waves are severely deteriorated. The drain > > > on her immediate family (Husband (children?)) must be enormous not > > > even counting the financial drain keeping her artificially alive. > > > > > > I'm looking at it like this, my wife (who according to the laws of > > > the state of FL is my next of kin) knows my wishes. If she made > > > the difficult decision to cease heroic measures on me I wouldn't > > > want my mother to be able to step in and make a different > > > decision. If the extended family wins in this case, that is the > > > precedent that will be set. > > > > > > I know for *ME* I don't want to live like that. > > > Take the tube away. If it > > > is the only thing keeping me alive, I mean, and I'm not conscious. > > > Now if I were still conscious and just couldn't eat, then it is a > > > different story. > > > > > > > > > Charles Mims > > > http://www.the-sandbox.org > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of Tim Harder > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:38 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > > > > > > > Has anyone been paying attention to the woman in Florida who has > > > been a vegetable since 1990. They are going to remove her feeding > tube... > > > They say she will *probably* die in about two weeks.... > > > Does anybody else find > > > this disturbing? 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