IMO it is a matter of "not seeing it" here, yes. It's a sampling device that allows to sample things that you can control in an extremely intuitive manner that you simply had no access to before (your hands and the amazing motion they can produce that no tacticle feedback interface or servo could ever have a hope to emulate, PARTICULARLY not at 200Hz).
I'm not talking about the AD plugin or how they sell it, I'm talking about the general idea of free space sampling on your desk for 80 bucks. I heard similar "can't see it" arguments about finger based, capacito-resistive tracking on screen being ridiculous and never as good as a pen, because you would get view obstruction, time ago. In layman terms that was people with a rigid view of HID, UIs and GUIs saying the iPhone would have never worked and that pen inputs like the old win CE phones would have made a come back. Time will tell :) I'm looking forward to switching tabs in my browser while sitting back comfortably by waving a hand :) On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Sebastien Sterling < sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Afraid we are at odds again Raff :) i just can't see it, it seems gimmicky > as all hell. a glorified web browser. there is a kind of uncanny valley > effect when it comes to motion controls and user interaction, the closer > you try to bring the technology to 1:1 user interaction the more unsettling > the feedback. > > I'm sure at some stage we'll breach that paradigm, however this clearly, > desperately isn't it. at best its an interesting little tech demo, at any > rate knee jerk statements like : > > "Give your users the ability to imagine, design, and create > in "TRUE" 3D space." > > This is clearly yet another example of AD's thumb eluding the pulse of its > user base; its the kind of statement you expect to see on a kinect box, not > on a highly specialised DCC app > > > > > On 1 August 2013 00:26, Raffaele Fragapane <raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>wrote: > >> Where is the like button? >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Paul Doyle <technove...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I got a Leap just so I can gesture to go through slides and other NI >>> stuff that's quite mundane but useful (and cool as anything in my book). I >>> think there are some fascinating possibilities for using the leap for >>> animating/capturing with gestures. The fidelity of a mouse/tablet is often >>> needed, but there are areas where gestures might be preferable (not just >>> for fingers). It's still very early days for NI - I won't be satisfied >>> until I can get all Minority Report without the haptics. Then watch my soul >>> die as I use it for powerpoint. >>> >>> >>> On 31 July 2013 18:01, Raffaele Fragapane >>> <raffsxsil...@googlemail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Tactile feedback for 80 bucks might be a long way to come :). >>>> There was a pressure based feedback piece at Siggraph this year that >>>> was interesting, but while pulse feedback (bursts of air pressure) is >>>> relatively easy and cheap to come up with, a continued feedback like the >>>> feeling of manipulating something solid, or even a high density fluid, in >>>> free space has a ton of conceptual unsolved problems (hands interference >>>> for one, one hand in front of another on the line of emission alone would >>>> send the feedback to the back of one hand instead of the fingers of the >>>> other). >>>> Wouldn't hold my breath for that. >>>> >>>> I think it shortsighted to ignore gesture feedback as irrelevant >>>> without force feedback though. The iPhone proved that much a few years ago >>>> :p >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rares Halmagean <ra...@rarebrush.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Neat. I'm all for improving the interface between user and app but as >>>>> a modeler, sculptor and texture artist I can see myself getting some >>>>> serious hand fatigue with this. There needs to be some feedback to be of >>>>> any long term use. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/31/2013 4:44 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you look at how easy it is to produce controlled and interesting >>>>> frequencies with your hand (things such as a beat, accel/decel etc.) an 80 >>>>> bucks device that can sample 10 sources accurately at 200hz is very, very >>>>> far from useless :) >>>>> >>>>> Yes, fatigue onset would make it a silly thing to orbit the camera >>>>> with for 8-12 hrs a day, but it's not like that's all you need to do is >>>>> it? >>>>> Surely there are things you only have to do a few minutes every hour or >>>>> more that could use a sampling like that. >>>>> >>>>> Currently we have some things that translate well through hardware >>>>> interfaces, and some things that translate poorly, or not at all. >>>>> Additional input for something as natural as gestures is definitely >>>>> something animators want, they probably just don't know they do quite yet. >>>>> I know I've discussed this with some (animators) 10 years ago and a >>>>> precise, cheap, on-desk hand capture device was a wet dream. When one >>>>> comes >>>>> out, everybody goes luddite?! Curse you animators! >>>>> >>>>> BTW writing something to use these devices, when they have a good >>>>> SDK, is actually very, very easy. The data acquisition side of things is >>>>> never a problem if the SDK is good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Mirko Jankovic < >>>>> mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> leap thing may look cool.. for first coupe minutes.. let me see you >>>>>> holding your hands up in the air for longer than 15 minutes alone.. not >>>>>> to >>>>>> mention couple hours... >>>>>> completely useless waste of time and money if you ask me >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Jon Swindells <squi...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> just as i was getting some work done too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> damn you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 31 July 2013 23:42, Cristobal Infante <cgc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "get busy living or get busy dying" see you guys in Zihuatanejo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jon Swindells >>>>>>> squi...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship >>>>> it and let them flee like the dogs they are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Rares Halmagean >>>>> ___________________________________ >>>>> *visual development and 3d character & content creation. >>>>> *rarebrush.com* <http://rarebrush.com/> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship >>>> it and let them flee like the dogs they are! >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >> > > -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
