While $10,000 +/- adder on a diesel for PLD may not be offset by the savings
in HP fittings, they certainly do a nice job of capping churn despite
numerous other potential surprises that Murphy may have in mind for your
project, such as a higher static than the flow test indicated if the tank
wasn't full; future changes/improvements to the supply; ability to design in
a cushion when other selections sans PLD would require HP fittings if
margins were increased.

Our first PLD was used because the water purveyor was upping the pressure in
the supply between 5 and 18 PSI at a 400,000 sf ESFR project, and couldn't
tell us until after project completion. 

We now use them when we have high demand flows for storage occupancies off
city supplies that have -well, even average losses between static and
residual when achieving flow. Nothing like a 170 PSI hammer out to 2500 GPM
to drive water down the pipe in a hurry :) and to be able to do it with
churn not exceeding 170 is sweet. Finally, the "flat curve" pump
underwriters always referred to is available.

We also like the fact that it makes the more reliable diesel obviously cost
effective vrs electric when the expensive variable frequency drive electric
controls are added.

Just a reminder that when determining max churn pressure, the water purveyor
may have "adjusted" their flow test report to you, and that a conservative,
adjusted for tank gradient water supply may be the basis of your  hydraulic
calculations, you must use the tank FULL static in determining max churn
pressure. This need to use two different flow tests is something many
designers are ignorant about, but your demand calc requires conservatism
built in on the low side; the max churn determination requires conservatism
on the high side. Once you think it thru, it should become obvious, but I'd
venture a guess that only the nation's top 15% of designers now properly
analyze this and properly adjust for tank gradient.

George Church
Rowe Sprinkler

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: pump tricks

PLD (variable speed) pumps work well for limiting pressure. I think they
can be pricey on an electric pump but a PLD diesel is pretty reasonable
and they work.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ

 -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd
Williams - work
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: pump tricks

I seem to be running into several situations lately where there is a
very fine balancing act between meeting the 100 psi at the top outlet of
the standpipe and not exceeding 175 psi at the base of the riser. 
(6 story hotels are a good example) Does anybody have any good ideas
they'd care to share on making these work? I'd like to limit the use of
extra-heavy pipe and fitting (especially larger sizes) and PRVs. I have
several tricks up my sleeve, but I'm running out of sleeves.


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