I was looking at UL Online Certification Directory and I found some Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures of UL listed sprinklers/alarm valve systems. I have two questions: Does anyone have good or bad experience with "Genuine" Chinese UL listed products? Do you know any good Chinese or Taiwanese companies? Some Chinese and Taiwanese companies listed in UL directory as sprinkler manufactures: NANJING FIRE PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY CO LTD ROUCHTEC INTERNATIONAL LIMITED SHANGHAI JINDUN FIREFIGHTING SECURITY SERVICE CO LTD CHANG DER FIRE PROTECTION CORP PROTECTOR SPRINKLER INDUSTRIAL CO LTD WEI HO FIRE EQUIPMENT CO LTD Thanks, Reza
Ed Vining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There can be differences in quality among products bearing UL labels, no matter who makes them. American manufacturers have to compete on both cost and quality. Offshore manufacturers may feel they only have to compete on price. Ed Vining [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 ----- Original Message ---- From: Reza Esmaeili To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:07:09 AM Subject: Any trustworthy Chinese/Taiwanese UL listed sprinkler/valve manufactures? Dears Loren, Matthe & Ed, Thanks for your comments, I concluded that when a fire protection product is UL listed, it is both safe and well functioned. I was looking at UL Online Certification Directory and I found some Chinese and Taiwanese manufactures of UL listed sprinklers/alarm valve systems. I have two questions: 1- If a sprinkler/valve is UL listed, does it differ if it is Chinese or American from the quality point of view? Do the genuine (not talking about fake marking) Chinese UL listed products have good quality and accepted in the USA market? 2- Does anyone have good or bad experience with "Genuine" Chinese UL listed products? Do you know any good Chinese or Taiwanese companies? Some Chinese and Taiwanese companies listed in UL directory as sprinkler manufactures: NANJING FIRE PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY CO LTD ROUCHTEC INTERNATIONAL LIMITED SHANGHAI JINDUN FIREFIGHTING SECURITY SERVICE CO LTD CHANG DER FIRE PROTECTION CORP PROTECTOR SPRINKLER INDUSTRIAL CO LTD WEI HO FIRE EQUIPMENT CO LTD Thanks, Reza Ed Vining wrote: Reza, when it comes to fire protection equipment, The UL standards do examine for operation and reliability. And thank goodnes they do. Ed Vining [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed Vining4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 ----- Original Message ---- From: Reza Esmaeili To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:12:11 PM Subject: Difference between UL and FM standards Hi all, I know that Underwriter¢s Laboratories (UL) is a product safety testing and certification organization serves the insurance industry and Factory Mutual (FM) is an insurance company specializes in loss prevention services. I know that Ul "list" items that meet their minimum safety standards, I have heard that UL listing doesn't deal with the operation of the product, for example a UL listed heater only means that the heater meets minimum safety standards but the UL listing requirements doesn't deal with the ability of the heater to provide any heat! Unlike UL, FM approval procedure looks not only at the safety of the product, but it¢s ability to function in the application. Their function is to prevent losses, whether from safety related issues or from product mis-application. So a UL listed heater is a safe product but may not be able to produce any heat but a FM approved heater is a safe product and will surely be able to produce heat, so I conclude that FM is more comprehensive than UL, is it right? If my theory is right, so why some products are FM approved but not UL listed? What is the difference between a UL listed sprinkler/valve with a FM approved sprinkler/valve? Which one is better? I think FM approval is more difficult that UL listing, is it right? Thanks in advance, Reza __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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