Bobby, Tell them to read the titles. There's no invisible ink on 13R that says anything about anything except MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS UP TO FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT. It doesn't say the above plus "and where there's stores on the ground floor," or "or higher if there's type I construction on the floors that would make it higher," or any other such nonsense.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Bobby Gillett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for your responses I believe you settled our debate although now > they are asking me "... where are they getting you have to stay within one > standard?" (13 or 13R). > > Thanks again. > > Bobby Gillett > Project Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (731)-424-0130 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: 13R Classification > > There is a proposal in the current ROP (13R-58, Log #37 - Committee > Action: Accept) that will hopefully give better direction with regard to > this (these) issue(s). Capsule version of the material is to clarify > that if a building (such as a pedestal or podium type) is divided into > separate buildings as defined by the code, that 13R is applicable in the > R-group building and 13 would apply to the other. This represents a > change from what we've been saying (myself, AFSA, here in this thread) > WRT to "mixed use" buildings requiring a 13 design unconditionally. > But the proposed language makes very clear that these provisions apply > to buildings that are no more than 4 stories above "grade plane" (also > as defined by the code), so if we're talking about a 5-story structure > (per code), the applicable standard is 13. Period. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne > Martinez > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: 13R Classification > > Could you consider this 2 separate areas if the building falls under the > "pedestal" design of section 508 (2003 IBC)? I have an excerpt from the > 2006 Building Safety Journal that may help. > > "In addition to the basic requirement that the pedestal > building be of Type IA construction and separated from the > buildings above by a horizontal ceiling/floor/roof assembly > having a minimum 3-hour fire resistance rating, the following > limitations also apply. > * Per Section 508.2, Item 4, Exceptions, the use of the > pedestal building is restricted to any combination of the > following: > * S-2 enclosed parking garage; > * multiple Group A uses limited to those having assembly > rooms with occupant loads of less than 300 each; > * Group B uses; > * Group M uses; and > * entry lobbies, mechanical rooms, storage areas and > similar uses incidental to the operation of the building. > * Per Section 508.2, Item 3, the use of the buildings above > the pedestal building is restricted to any combination of > the following: > * Group R uses, > * multiple Group A uses limited to those having assembly > rooms with occupant loads of less than 300 each, > * Group B uses and > * Group M uses. " > > Hope this helps. Bobby, leave me email if you want the full article. > Thanks, > Dewayne Martinez, CET > Design Build Fire Protection > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom > Duross > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: 13R Classification > > Plus, it's mixed use. 13 throughout. > One building, one use, one standard, one design. > > Tom > GRS > > Hello Bobby, > > I was taught if there is a 5th floor it is not 13R. The whole building > has to be 13. > > Friday, April 18, 2008, 8:16:04 AM, you wrote: > > > A question has been asked in our office and I would appreciate the > opinions > > of the forum as to the intent of 13R. > > > There is a 5 story building, bottom floor is mercantile and the top 4 > > > floors are residential. "NFPA13R Standard for the Installation of > Sprinkler > > Systems in Residential Occupancies up to and Including Four Stories in > > > Height." The debate is; is the intent of the standard to be that > > anything over 4 stories cannot be classified as 13R or can the > > building in question be classified as 13R because there are 4 stories > > in height for residential occupancy? > > > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > Bobby Gillett > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
