I understand, but they're thinking you don't have to stay within one
standard, in this case 13. They think you can swap between standards like
you can hazard classifications. That's why they were asking where does it
state you have to stay within one standard i.e. 13 or 13R etc.
Bobby Gillett
Project Manager
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(731)-424-0130
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 13R Classification
Bobby,
Tell them to read the titles. There's no invisible ink on 13R that
says anything about anything except MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS UP TO FOUR
STORIES IN HEIGHT. It doesn't say the above plus "and where there's
stores on the ground floor," or "or higher if there's type I
construction on the floors that would make it higher," or any other
such nonsense.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Bobby Gillett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you for your responses I believe you settled our debate although now
> they are asking me "... where are they getting you have to stay within
one
> standard?" (13 or 13R).
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Bobby Gillett
> Project Manager
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (731)-424-0130
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 13R Classification
>
> There is a proposal in the current ROP (13R-58, Log #37 - Committee
> Action: Accept) that will hopefully give better direction with regard to
> this (these) issue(s). Capsule version of the material is to clarify
> that if a building (such as a pedestal or podium type) is divided into
> separate buildings as defined by the code, that 13R is applicable in the
> R-group building and 13 would apply to the other. This represents a
> change from what we've been saying (myself, AFSA, here in this thread)
> WRT to "mixed use" buildings requiring a 13 design unconditionally.
> But the proposed language makes very clear that these provisions apply
> to buildings that are no more than 4 stories above "grade plane" (also
> as defined by the code), so if we're talking about a 5-story structure
> (per code), the applicable standard is 13. Period.
>
> Steve Leyton
> Protection Design & Consulting
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewayne
> Martinez
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:53 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 13R Classification
>
> Could you consider this 2 separate areas if the building falls under the
> "pedestal" design of section 508 (2003 IBC)? I have an excerpt from the
> 2006 Building Safety Journal that may help.
>
> "In addition to the basic requirement that the pedestal
> building be of Type IA construction and separated from the
> buildings above by a horizontal ceiling/floor/roof assembly
> having a minimum 3-hour fire resistance rating, the following
> limitations also apply.
> * Per Section 508.2, Item 4, Exceptions, the use of the
> pedestal building is restricted to any combination of the
> following:
> * S-2 enclosed parking garage;
> * multiple Group A uses limited to those having assembly
> rooms with occupant loads of less than 300 each;
> * Group B uses;
> * Group M uses; and
> * entry lobbies, mechanical rooms, storage areas and
> similar uses incidental to the operation of the building.
> * Per Section 508.2, Item 3, the use of the buildings above
> the pedestal building is restricted to any combination of
> the following:
> * Group R uses,
> * multiple Group A uses limited to those having assembly
> rooms with occupant loads of less than 300 each,
> * Group B uses and
> * Group M uses. "
>
> Hope this helps. Bobby, leave me email if you want the full article.
> Thanks,
> Dewayne Martinez, CET
> Design Build Fire Protection
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom
> Duross
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 13R Classification
>
> Plus, it's mixed use. 13 throughout.
> One building, one use, one standard, one design.
>
> Tom
> GRS
>
> Hello Bobby,
>
> I was taught if there is a 5th floor it is not 13R. The whole building
> has to be 13.
>
> Friday, April 18, 2008, 8:16:04 AM, you wrote:
>
> > A question has been asked in our office and I would appreciate the
> opinions
> > of the forum as to the intent of 13R.
>
> > There is a 5 story building, bottom floor is mercantile and the top 4
>
> > floors are residential. "NFPA13R Standard for the Installation of
> Sprinkler
> > Systems in Residential Occupancies up to and Including Four Stories in
>
> > Height." The debate is; is the intent of the standard to be that
> > anything over 4 stories cannot be classified as 13R or can the
> > building in question be classified as 13R because there are 4 stories
> > in height for residential occupancy?
>
> >
>
> > Thank you in advance.
>
> >
>
> > Bobby Gillett
>
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