Ed,

There are a number of manufacturers that supply listed pipe clamps with
attachment lugs in sizes 1/2"-12" and conductors to 1000 kcmil. 

http://www.nema.org/ may be of assistance locating product.

Have I seen lugs on vics ?, yes, however to the best of my knowledge
this is not permitted.

John  

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Vining
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FW: Grounding, Bonding and Sprinkler Piping

I agree, but to what should the ground/bonding wire from the riser be
connected?

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:48 AM, John Drucker
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Ed,
>
> In my professional opinion I would say the riser after any backflow 
> devices, fire pumps, alarm and check valves, i.e. items that are 
> expected to be removed for repair or replacement, however the code 
> does not stipulate this.  In all cases the electrical engineer and 
> local inspector are to be consulted.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> John Drucker
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed 
> Vining
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: FW: Grounding, Bonding and Sprinkler Piping
>
> John, what do you consider an appropriate place(s) to connect the 
> sprinkler piping to ensure a reliable connection to ground?  Just 
> connecting it to the nearest piece of metal might not suffice.
> .
> Ed Vining
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:48 AM, John Drucker
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Subject:   Grounding, Bonding and Sprinkler Piping
> >
> >
> > >From an industry forum list (AFAA Firealarm). Apparently NFPA-25
> > inspectors
> > (contractors) are either removing the bonding connection and or 
> > noting
>
> > it as a violation................................
> >
> > John
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > ----
> >
> > From: John Drucker <[email protected]>
> > Subject: RE: [firealarm] Ground Rod Questions
> >
> > All interior water piping within a building, including metallic fire

> > sprinkler piping is required to be bonded pursuant to 2008 NEC
> > 250.104(A)(B)
> > .
> >
> > Failure to bond a metallic piping system could result in the piping 
> > system becoming energized with the potential of shock or 
> > electrocution. Bonding merely places all metallic components within 
> > a building at equipotential.These components, water piping, gas 
> > piping, building steel, etc are bonded (electrically connected 
> > together) to
> the electrical system.
> > A
> > properly bonded system assures a low impedance electrical path 
> > exists should a fault occur producing the needed fault current in 
> > order to operate a circuits overcurrent device thus clearing the 
> > fault by deenergizing the circuit.
> >
> > Grounding on the other hand is the connection of the buildings 
> > electrical system to earth in order to dissipate lighting, 
> > transients and stabilize system voltage. Grounding is not Bonding. 
> > The sprinkler piping prohibition applies to the use of fire 
> > sprinkler piping as a Grounding electrode. Its important that we not

> > remove bonding jumpers from aboveground fire sprinkler piping. If 
> > you're not sure consult with your electrical inspector. In the end 
> > it might just save someone's life !
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > John Drucker
> >
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