A point that was made on the EPARADE fire marshal's list was that bamboo scaffolding is still the norm in China. Anyone know if they've ruled out ancillary structures yet?
Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire It was probably EFIS that burned like at Mandalay Bay a while back. A welder on the roof started the fire and it spread down the outside of the building. I guess the stuff melts and runs down spreading the fire. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Sprinkler Phoenix, AZ 85024 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire I wonder if they were using bamboo scaffolding. Could cause a fire to spread down At 09:38 AM 2/11/2009, you wrote: >Chris, > >See this video.... > >http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-210388 > >In this video (and some others) there is a small fire atop the building. > > >Smitty > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris >Cahill >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:31 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel >fire > >MSNBC, Fox and CNN all had video on line yesterday of this. I would be >skeptical about it starting on the roof and burning down, but who knows. >At a certain point it looks like all floors are burning. This isn't >consistent with our HR fires where they seem to spread floor to floor >and the lower floors are consumed before the higher floors ignite. >Perhaps the under construction explains some of the inconsistencies. No >information I could gather about fire safety systems including >sprinklers. One FF was reported >killed. > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29099358 the video is still there this >morning. > >Chris Cahill, P.E. >Fire Protection Engineer >Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. > >763-658-4483 >763-658-4921 fax > >Email: [email protected] > >Mail: P.O. Box 69 > Waverly, MN 55390 > >Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > Waverly, MN 55390 >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Autry, >David >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:00 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel >fire > >I read somewhere, that fireworks started it. Lunar New Year. > >David Autry >Plans Examiner >Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office >246 S. 14th Street >Lincoln, NE 68508 >402-471-9659 >402-471-3118 fax >www.sfm.ne.gov > >** Note new email address: [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:52 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel >fire > >Apparently the Chinese government issued an information blackout for the >fire that appears to have completely engulfed the 34-story building this >past Monday. The building is under construction and It looks like the >fire involved the entire structure from top to bottom. >The fire supposedly started on the roof and then very quickly spread to >all floors or at least so it seems before the information blackout. A >fire like this does not seem to be expected. There must be some >mitigating factors in the building design. Does anyone, perhaps knowing >someone at Arup, have any inside information on the building's design? >It seems there must be an important lesson in building design to be >learned here. > >Allan Seidel >St. Louis, MO >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >[email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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