"Therefore, I make my assessments of an FPE's abilities by the person I am
dealing with, not the company they work for."

This is likely the best thing to come out of this thread.  Aside from the
PELOSI :-) 

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From: [email protected]
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[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: PE Peer Review

Mark,
I agree.  I personally know the RJA FPEs in Dallas and they are awesome.
However, you must know that Tom Izbicki, of that office, was also the FPE
for the City of Dallas and has seen these issues from both sides of the
table.  The Dallas RJA office, and particularly Tom Izbicki, is one of my
top preferences for doing work for us.  I would rather have them over almost
all of the others that I deal with.

However, with the exception of the other 2 FPEs that used to be in the
Dallas office, I have had terrible luck with some of the other RJA offices.
Therefore, I make my assessments of an FPE's abilities by the person I am
dealing with, not the company they work for.

Thank You

Rahe Loftin, P.E.
Region 7 - GSA
Office - 817-978-7299
Fax - 817-978-8644
Cell - 817-371-3102



                                                                           
                                                                           
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Why don't you just call and ask where they are coming from and let them lay
their cards on the table.  I know the FPE's at RJA in Dallas and they are
all competent.

Mark Hasenmyer, PE
MEH Fire Protection Engineering LLC
1311 River Oaks Drive
Flower Mound, TX 75028
Office (972) 874-2662
Cell (469) 235-3154
Fax (866) 610-1522 toll free


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: PE Peer Review

Tell Jim or Steve to..., well never mind.

I don't agree to increasing the area because of a "higher potential for
fire".

However, if the intent was to say "the fire potential is higher", that is
larger fire area is anticipated, then I would agree. One can argue that an
intentially set fire by the inmates is highly probable. If this is the case,
a larger area would be proper without increasing the density because of the
limited combustibles. The fuel load is what it is, but the quantity of
involved materials may be larger because of inmate activity.

But, this should have been presented "clearly" in the specs.
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From: "Fletcher, Ron" <[email protected]>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:02:33
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: PE Peer Review


I would like the take from the PE's on forum on how to deal with a plan
review comment from an unnamed engineering firm (RJA).

"Due to the higher than normal potential for a fire in the occupant sleeping
and common areas, the reduction in fire are (remote area) for quick response
sprinkler in accordance with NFPA #13 Figure 11.2.3.2.3.1 is not a good
engineering practice. Please revise the hydraulic calculation to account for
at least the minimum 1500 square foot design area as specified by NFPA #13."

The hazard is a dormitory at a minimum security prison.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ
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