George can't group hug without hurting his back or getting on his knees. Of course, in this economy he might benefit from a little practice ...
Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: PE Peer Review George, It is already Friday somewhere, I'm just not smart enough to figure out the time zones. So go ahead and have a beer and relax. Get a group hug if you can. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: PE Peer Review Well, at least that leftist Leyton owned up and took the blame for what truly IS his fault. Ok, Ron's apologized twice, and with the volume of Pelosi coming at him at Aero, I think that's plenty. And its hard to type when you're seeing red. Chris got us back into the family hug mode, so I forgive Steve for baiting me into Pelosi, everyone's vocab is up for the new administration, and RJA even had a great stand-up letter on behalf of his employer- very well done, and echoed by Rahe. Chris IS right, after 10+ years on this Forum, we do consider each other friends. Heck, twice I've been within a few miles or hours of having a beer with Chris, and there's a dozen that are very close friends-even after meeting in person. As much as our political views diverge, the Leytons are welcome back at our place and we get to SD more often than they imagined possible, despite 3,000 miles apart. Best of all, we've already met this year's quota of PE bashing so we can move on to other items. Too bad its not Friday, I could use a weekend. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: PE Peer Review "Therefore, I make my assessments of an FPE's abilities by the person I am dealing with, not the company they work for." This is likely the best thing to come out of this thread. Aside from the PELOSI :-) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: PE Peer Review Mark, I agree. I personally know the RJA FPEs in Dallas and they are awesome. However, you must know that Tom Izbicki, of that office, was also the FPE for the City of Dallas and has seen these issues from both sides of the table. The Dallas RJA office, and particularly Tom Izbicki, is one of my top preferences for doing work for us. I would rather have them over almost all of the others that I deal with. However, with the exception of the other 2 FPEs that used to be in the Dallas office, I have had terrible luck with some of the other RJA offices. Therefore, I make my assessments of an FPE's abilities by the person I am dealing with, not the company they work for. Thank You Rahe Loftin, P.E. Region 7 - GSA Office - 817-978-7299 Fax - 817-978-8644 Cell - 817-371-3102 "Mark Hasenmyer, PE" To <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Sent by: cc sprinklerforum-bo un...@firesprinkl Subject er.org RE: PE Peer Review 02/25/2009 08:56 PM Please respond to sprinklerfo...@fi resprinkler.org Why don't you just call and ask where they are coming from and let them lay their cards on the table. I know the FPE's at RJA in Dallas and they are all competent. Mark Hasenmyer, PE MEH Fire Protection Engineering LLC 1311 River Oaks Drive Flower Mound, TX 75028 Office (972) 874-2662 Cell (469) 235-3154 Fax (866) 610-1522 toll free -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: PE Peer Review Tell Jim or Steve to..., well never mind. I don't agree to increasing the area because of a "higher potential for fire". However, if the intent was to say "the fire potential is higher", that is larger fire area is anticipated, then I would agree. One can argue that an intentially set fire by the inmates is highly probable. If this is the case, a larger area would be proper without increasing the density because of the limited combustibles. The fuel load is what it is, but the quantity of involved materials may be larger because of inmate activity. But, this should have been presented "clearly" in the specs. Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: "Fletcher, Ron" <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:02:33 To: <[email protected]> Subject: PE Peer Review I would like the take from the PE's on forum on how to deal with a plan review comment from an unnamed engineering firm (RJA). "Due to the higher than normal potential for a fire in the occupant sleeping and common areas, the reduction in fire are (remote area) for quick response sprinkler in accordance with NFPA #13 Figure 11.2.3.2.3.1 is not a good engineering practice. Please revise the hydraulic calculation to account for at least the minimum 1500 square foot design area as specified by NFPA #13." The hazard is a dormitory at a minimum security prison. 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