Thom, You have the right idea. It's extremely important that codes and standards be comprehensive. I'm sure we've all heard the saying "well we can't address everything". I disagree with this statement, we most certainly can. To do otherwise means that decisions will be made outside the consensus and or public comment process. Apparently the nail plate issue as an oversight, however we too require them despite the code not prescribing it. It's not good enough to simply say "physical protection shall be provided", it needs to be spelled out. Perhaps that is why we have so much trouble on the fire side.
In summary leaving things grey and or not at all merely leads to unexpected results. Hope that helps John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: nail plates I would reply as follows: Since NFPA 13R requires the submission of protection on nonmetallic pipe, and since 13R does not specify how when or where this is to be provided, that the AHJ has to authority to require any level of protection he wants. Be thankful its only per the IPC/IMC. Maybe all nonmetallic pipe should be installed in a metallic sleeve? I fell this is an area both NFPA 13/13R/13D need to address in conjunction with the ICC and Lubrizol. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 11:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: nail plates Thom, All well and good but if you recall George's original post it wasn't with protecting or not protecting the piping but that the AHJ had conjured a specific method (16 gauge plates I believe) from an outside code not referenced from IBC chapter 9, the chapter which specifically references NFPA 13R (in this case) as the appropriate document and which doesn't reference the documents the AHJ is hanging his hat on. George's argument is that since NFPA 13R does not require a specific metal gauge for protection at all (your references aside which still say nothing regarding specific gauges of metal) that citing specific requirements from non-referenced documents is inappropriate. Whether or not 13R is lacking in this regard is irrelevant and shifts us over to that what ought or ought not to be political stuff. On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> wrote: > Relying solely on 13R may give you righteous reason for outrage at the > official, but you may want to look carefully at 6.1.4.4 protection of > risers, if it is risers he is asking you to protect. And also look at > 6.2.7(17) submission requirements for "Protection of nonmetallic pipe". > > An just as a final aside, IBC/IMC/IPC/IEC all require additional > protection of all system components when there is less than an 11/2" > of wood from the face of the stud to the hole, pipe, wire or service. > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
