NFPA 13 contains the "1 riser for each building" reference, and 2007 includes 
an exception for buildings connected by attached construction, such as a 
covered walkway or breezeway.  I think we're agreeing, no?   So long as the 3rd 
building has its own system, you can use the common water supply ...



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-----Original Message-----
From: "Ron Greenman" <[email protected]>

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:58:04 
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fire Pump for Multiple Buildings


Steve, 
Good practice says you shouldn't feed more than one building from a 
riser but is there a reference from IBC that clearly states that? I 
agree that one pump can service several buildings on a campus (as long 
as it's in a separated pump house) just as a single pump can feed 
several risers in the same building or a municipal pump can service 
multiplke properties wuthin a water district. 
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Steve Leyton<[email protected]> 
wrote: 
> I don't know of any restrictions in code or standards that would 
> preclude a "central plant" water supply, and I think the AHJ is 
> over-reaching in his interpretation of separate.   NFPA 13 and 14 speak 
> to connection of systems to adequate water supplies, which can take any 
> one of a number of forms. Those can even be a combination elements - 
> tanks, pumps, wells - that collectively make up an adequate water 
> supply.  The "separate and complete stand-alone fire suppression system" 
> is still to be furnished:  separate service from the point of connection 
> to the water supply, separate control valve(s) and FDC(s), separate 
> riser, separate local alarm, separate supervisory system, separate 
> monitoring address, etc.   So long as the existing automatic water 
> supply is adequate to meet whatever demands are created in the new 
> building, there's no prohibition against using it. 
> 
> Steve Leyton 
> Protection Design & Consulting 
> San Diego, CA 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Hairfield 
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:46 AM 
> To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM 
> Subject: Fire Pump for Multiple Buildings 
> 
> 
> 
>  Existing facility has one fire pump serving two existing buildings, the 
> owner wants to 
> 
> add a third building. Local AHJ states IBC requires a separate complete 
> stand alone 
> 
> fire suppression system thus requiring the owner to provide a new fire 
> pump and city 
> 
> water connection for the building. 
> 
> 
> 
> Has any one run across this IBC requirement or is the AHJ incorrect in 
> his statement? 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Hairfield 
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