Uh, no.  If there is a problem with freezing they can use a single interlock 
preaction foam-water system.  You don't mix P.G. in it, that won't work.  

The preaction conforms to NFPA 30, dry systems are not permitted.

Now before anyone starts anything, there needs to be an analysis of the 
chemicals being stored to determine the appropriate design criteria for 
protection of the area.  Just because he's storing flammables doesn't mean you 
automatically go to AFFF, you may need AR-AFFF or some other means of 
suppression may be acceptable.  I've found that most people don't know the 
difference between flammable and combustibles and there is a difference when 
determining protection schemes.  Plus the density depends on the chemicals 
being stored.  There's no magic number you can just plug in.  

Get ALL the MSDS info on everything in the storage area.  Don't just ask for or 
get the "flammables".  Get everything.  There are code issues at hand 
concerning how much of certain chemicals can be stored inside 

Once you've determined what the chemicals are, their classifications, 
quantities, etc. then you can check codes to determine whether he can actually 
store them inside or not, if anything needs to be done to the building or if 
they can store without any changes.  Then contact your favorite foam vendor and 
have their chemist look at the chemicals you're dealing with and give you a 
recommendation on protection.

MSDS info is invaluable but don't rely on just one mfgr.  Get a copy of the 
chemicals from a couple of different suppliers since information on MSDS can 
vary in it's completeness.  These things will also give you recommendations for 
fire fighting measures and warn if something is reactive or if something 
special is needed.

Someone has a lot of homework to do.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:11 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: NFPA 30 - and Propylene Glycol

Forum:

I have a client who wants to store flammable liquids in a cold-storage 
warehouse.  They would like to use an AFFF sprinkler system with propylene 
glycol to prevent freezing.

I am not a fan of this idea and won't support it for a number of reasons.

Do any of you have any views you'd like to share on this matter?

Mark A. Sornsin, PE
Fire Protection Engineer
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
Fargo, ND
Direct:    701. 280.8591
[email protected]


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