But you may not necessarily have smoke detectors in every installation, 
especially when the area is sprinklered. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: water flow timing

I like that take also. Do you need "early" warning from waterflow with an alarm 
system present? Presumably that's what the smokes are for. I wonder what the 72 
committee had in mind?

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Chris Cahill<[email protected]> wrote:
> Right or wrong I always reconciled 13 vs. 72 like this.  The flow 
> switch must activate within the parameters of 13.  5 minutes.  Once 
> the paddle moves and the electrical connection is made 72 takes over 
> and the FA must respond within the parameters of 72.  90 seconds.  So 
> in theory 6.5 minutes could pass between opening the inspectors test 
> valve and the alarm signal engaging in the FAP.
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>
> 763-658-4483
> 763-658-4921 fax
>
> Email: [email protected]
>
> Mail: P.O. Box 69
>        Waverly, MN 55390
>
> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
>              Waverly, MN 55390
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim 
> Johnston
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: water flow timing
>
> NFPA 72 5.11.2 says within 90 seconds.
>
> Jim Johnston, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Inland Fire Protection, Inc
> 1100 Ahtanum Road
> Yakima, WA 98903
> Phone 509-248-4471
> Fax 509-248-1180
> [email protected]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Dyce [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: water flow timing
>
> We are having a discussion regarding time required for water flow 
> notification.  One party says on a wet system, there is no particular 
> time requirement.  Another party says there is a time limitation.  
> What say you all???
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Geoffrey H. Dyce
>
> Operations Manager/NICET IV
>
> DELTA Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
>
> A Vetran Owned Small Business
>
> Ph:  407-328-3000 ext 143
>
> Fx:  407-575-9991
>
> E-Mail:  [email protected]
>
>
>
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Fire Protection Engineering
Bates Technical College
Tacoma, WA

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